Project 61: Helping Truck Drivers Live Longer, Healthier Lives

1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:08,200 The average American is expected to live to nearly 77 years old, a truck driver, 2 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:15,640 depending on the study 61. Some studies say even lower numbers, like 3 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:22,400 57, start to creep into the conversation. Think about that for a second. The people hauling the 4 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:28,400 food in your refrigerator, the medicine in your cabinet, the fuel in your truck, and the products 5 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:35,400 on every store shelf in America are statistically dying nearly two decades earlier than the 6 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:41,960 average person. And maybe the most haunting part of all of it. Most drivers are aware of 7 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:48,240 this. They know what ten hours behind the wheel does to the body. They know what truck stop food, 8 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:54,880 bad sleep, stress, isolation, caffeine overload and years of sitting can turn into 9 00:00:55,240 --> 00:01:02,029 diabetes. Heart disease. Sleep apnea. Strokes. Depression, burnout. The list is endless, 10 00:01:02,150 --> 00:01:07,389 but today's episode is not about the guilt associated with those things, and that's a very 11 00:01:07,389 --> 00:01:13,629 important point. Today's episode is about hope, because what you're about to hear is just not 12 00:01:13,629 --> 00:01:18,829 some doctor in a lab coat wagging a finger finger at truck drivers telling them to just eat 13 00:01:18,870 --> 00:01:24,469 healthier. That's not it at all. This is a real conversation about survival in an industry that 14 00:01:24,470 --> 00:01:31,389 often works against people keeping it alive. Today, Lindsey Bryan from project 61 joins us 15 00:01:31,389 --> 00:01:36,910 to talk about the movement trying to change one terrifying number. And she said something during 16 00:01:36,910 --> 00:01:42,829 this conversation that really stuck with me. It doesn't have to be this way. 17 00:01:44,269 --> 00:01:50,110 Not with massive overnight transformations, not with fad diets, not with impossible workout 18 00:01:50,150 --> 00:01:57,110 routines, but with small bite sized changes. One less soda. One walk around the 19 00:01:57,110 --> 00:02:03,949 fuel island. One phone call home. One better night of sleep. Because maybe the difference 20 00:02:03,950 --> 00:02:10,949 between 61 and 71 starts with one better decision today. This is one of the most 21 00:02:10,950 --> 00:02:17,189 important conversations that we've ever had on this show. So settle in. This is always pneumatic. 22 00:02:17,229 --> 00:02:24,110 Never static. You are listening to always pneumatic, never static. The Totally 23 00:02:24,110 --> 00:02:29,189 Pressurized podcast, brought to you by Bulk Transit, where we keep the lines clear, the tanks 24 00:02:29,190 --> 00:02:34,070 empty, and the conversation anything but dry. Whether you're running powder pellets or anything 25 00:02:34,070 --> 00:02:38,070 in between. Pull up a seat, crack the windows, and let's hit it. 26 00:02:41,149 --> 00:02:46,949 How's it going out there? Bulk and spur. Welcome into always pneumatic, never static. Thank you so 27 00:02:46,950 --> 00:02:53,350 much for joining us today. I am your host, Marcus. As always, you can find everything that you need 28 00:02:53,350 --> 00:02:58,339 to get your hands on that has some sort of connection with this podcast. 29 00:02:58,380 --> 00:03:05,339 online at podcast.bulktransit.com. Some sort of connection? What are you talking about, Marcus? Well pretty simple. 30 00:03:05,339 --> 00:03:09,859 First and foremost, all the episodes are up there at that website, so bookmark it because there's a 31 00:03:09,860 --> 00:03:15,660 new one every single week and they are chock full of awesome content that you are going to enjoy 32 00:03:15,699 --> 00:03:20,659 while putting the miles behind you. There's also quizzes up there that you can take after every 33 00:03:20,660 --> 00:03:26,459 single episode. Test your mettle a little bit. Put the brain to work in a different avenue than what 34 00:03:26,460 --> 00:03:32,859 you work at every single day. Uh, and besides that, there's contact with me. That's what you can get 35 00:03:32,860 --> 00:03:37,619 at the website. You want to be on this show? I want to have you on this show. But there's all these 36 00:03:37,660 --> 00:03:42,699 thousands of miles between us. How do we make it work? Well, first and foremost, you can go to 37 00:03:42,739 --> 00:03:48,739 podcast.com and you can send me an email. There's a button right there. Just click it. You'll hit me 38 00:03:48,739 --> 00:03:53,820 right in the pocket. Uh, the other way that you can get in touch with me is to network with any 39 00:03:53,820 --> 00:03:59,139 driver that you've heard on this show. If a drivers come on this show, he's joined me because 40 00:03:59,139 --> 00:04:04,538 I've called him from my personal phone. I have stopped short of giving my personal phone number 41 00:04:04,539 --> 00:04:10,779 out on this podcast. To this point, I'm not saying I won't do it sometime, and I'm not saying it 42 00:04:10,780 --> 00:04:16,459 won't happen by accident some other time. What I am saying is right now, if you want my phone 43 00:04:16,459 --> 00:04:22,939 number, you gotta go either to any terminal, obviously the terminal managers and your, uh, your 44 00:04:22,940 --> 00:04:27,059 dispatch and everything like that. They can all get you my phone number pretty quickly and easily 45 00:04:27,059 --> 00:04:32,380 too. Uh, but if you know a driver that's come on the show, first of all, talk to that driver about 46 00:04:32,380 --> 00:04:37,100 their experience on the show. I think they're going to give you positive feedback and then get 47 00:04:37,100 --> 00:04:42,899 in touch with me. We'll take anything you want to talk about and try to turn it into an episode. And, 48 00:04:42,899 --> 00:04:47,339 uh, we've had some real fun ones lately, and we've also had some pretty serious ones lately. And 49 00:04:47,340 --> 00:04:52,619 that's the cool part about this podcast. We get to talk about it all. Maybe it's what you're up to 50 00:04:52,659 --> 00:04:57,889 when the truck is stopped. Uh, maybe it's your hobbies. Maybe it's project cars. Or maybe we're 51 00:04:57,890 --> 00:05:03,089 talking about, uh, paperwork and, you know, the ins and outs of pulling hoses and making sure that 52 00:05:03,089 --> 00:05:08,529 pneumatic trailers are operating as they should. I'm a chameleon. We can talk about whatever you 53 00:05:08,529 --> 00:05:14,328 want, but you gotta let me know that you want to talk about it. So once again, podcast.bulktranist.com 54 00:05:14,369 --> 00:05:19,169 is the website that's where you can get Ahold of me. That's where you can listen to 55 00:05:19,209 --> 00:05:26,209 all of these episodes. So bookmark that puppy ASAP. All right. Now we're going 56 00:05:26,209 --> 00:05:30,529 to turn a corner. Um, all the the fun little whimsical stuff that I talk about with the 57 00:05:30,529 --> 00:05:36,489 website and all the fun that we have over there is great. But today's episode is a very focused 58 00:05:36,489 --> 00:05:43,089 one, and for good reason. We are here today to talk about driver health. Most 59 00:05:43,089 --> 00:05:48,609 importantly, the statistic that really shakes everybody to their core when they hear it, and 60 00:05:48,609 --> 00:05:54,649 that is that the average life expectancy of an American truck driver is just 61 00:05:54,649 --> 00:06:01,169 61 years old. That is terrifying, if I may be so 62 00:06:01,249 --> 00:06:07,409 frank. The average life expectancy of the average American is 77 years. So we're talking 63 00:06:07,409 --> 00:06:13,769 16 long years, uh, on average, that truck drivers don't get to spend with their loved ones, don't 64 00:06:13,769 --> 00:06:20,488 get to spend, uh, enjoying the golden years out there. And that's a big, big problem. And today's 65 00:06:20,489 --> 00:06:26,729 guest is going to talk a lot about how we go about fixing that problem. Not with big wholesale 66 00:06:26,730 --> 00:06:33,690 change, not with sweeping regulation, not with miles of red tape, but with just one, one 67 00:06:33,809 --> 00:06:40,570 small incremental change a day. And maybe you can make more than one small incremental change a day. 68 00:06:40,570 --> 00:06:45,890 Okay. Maybe it can be you. You make one change with your, uh, with your food, one change with your 69 00:06:45,890 --> 00:06:51,209 exercise, one change with your sleep, and one change with your mental health and your 70 00:06:51,209 --> 00:06:57,280 preventative maintenance. And there you go. So we call it five. You know, change one thing in five 71 00:06:57,280 --> 00:07:02,440 different aspects each day. All of a sudden we're talking not baby steps anymore. We're making 72 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:08,000 strides at this point. Lunges. If I do say so myself. Because, you know, there's a little exercise 73 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:13,880 reference in there. Give myself a round of applause for that one. I don't often push the 74 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:18,119 buttons about things that I say, but I do have control of the buttons, so I might as well pat 75 00:07:18,119 --> 00:07:23,279 myself on the back every now and then when I get a good pun in there. But all jokes aside, this 76 00:07:23,279 --> 00:07:30,279 episode will give you a mountain of different ways to go about changing your 77 00:07:30,279 --> 00:07:36,159 health habits. Now, some of you might just be in love with a truck stop roller dog, and I get that 78 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:40,280 those things are delicious. As long as they haven't developed a lot of cracks, that'll prevent 79 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:45,319 them from rolling. That's how you know that they're old and hard. Um, I love myself a good 80 00:07:45,319 --> 00:07:51,510 truck stop. Okay. I actually favor stopping at a love's or a flying J over your standard chevron 81 00:07:51,510 --> 00:07:58,350 or shell station because I love the spread in there, and I am not the most healthy person in the 82 00:07:58,350 --> 00:08:04,429 world when it comes to road trips. I like to get on the salt so I don't have to stop and go to the 83 00:08:04,429 --> 00:08:09,469 bathroom. And I like to get on the sugar because it's delicious and fun and it makes me feel young 84 00:08:09,509 --> 00:08:15,749 again. However, it could make me be younger at the end of my life, and that's something that we all 85 00:08:15,749 --> 00:08:22,149 have to understand, right? This is not an easy subject to talk about because health problems are 86 00:08:22,149 --> 00:08:28,429 so prevalent in the trucking industry. You've seen the guys, you might be one of the guys that 87 00:08:28,429 --> 00:08:32,469 struggles to get up and into the truck, struggles to do the work because they've packed on weight, 88 00:08:32,469 --> 00:08:37,749 because they've been doing this job for 20 years, and they've been sitting in a seat for ten, 12 89 00:08:37,750 --> 00:08:43,669 hours a day for 20 years. And you know something about truck drivers that you probably already 90 00:08:43,669 --> 00:08:48,829 know since you're probably a driver listening to this, you guys aren't real good at taking time off. 91 00:08:48,830 --> 00:08:54,269 So you got to think about that. The normal workday. Like let's say that you're confined to an office 92 00:08:54,270 --> 00:09:00,389 and they force you to sit all 40 hours of your week. That's great. Tack on another 20 and you've 93 00:09:00,389 --> 00:09:05,509 got the average truck drivers, uh, amount of sitting that they're doing in a week. Have that 94 00:09:05,509 --> 00:09:10,749 driver stay out and just run, run, run and reset his clock when he needs to reset his clock and 95 00:09:10,750 --> 00:09:16,469 get another load and go. All of a sudden, we're talking about 80 hours a week or more that you 96 00:09:16,469 --> 00:09:23,229 might be sitting, you might be sedentary, which is really, really bad for your health in the long 97 00:09:23,230 --> 00:09:29,789 run. And unfortunately, it's sort of an aspect of truck driving that lends itself to 98 00:09:29,830 --> 00:09:36,710 drivers not being as healthy. But today's episode is going to give you not only the motivation, 99 00:09:36,710 --> 00:09:43,149 but some good ideas on how to make small, incremental changes. Um, and the person that we've 100 00:09:43,150 --> 00:09:49,819 got here is very dedicated to the mission, and the mission is getting that number 61 and 101 00:09:49,820 --> 00:09:55,259 raising it, uh, just poking it every now and then from underneath. So it goes a little bit higher 102 00:09:55,260 --> 00:10:01,539 with every single decision that we make. Um, fantastic stuff that you are about to hear from 103 00:10:01,539 --> 00:10:07,499 the health and wellness manager of project 61, Lindsey Bryan. I can't thank her enough for giving 104 00:10:07,499 --> 00:10:13,418 us as much time as she did today. This next hour that you're about to hear is so chock full of 105 00:10:13,419 --> 00:10:18,418 great ideas and inspiration for you, that I think there's going to be some drivers that make some 106 00:10:18,419 --> 00:10:24,419 changes after they hear this episode. If that's you. Get in touch with me and let me know. I want 107 00:10:24,419 --> 00:10:29,539 to give you your flowers on this podcast for making the small incremental changes. Maybe you 108 00:10:29,539 --> 00:10:34,419 don't need this podcast to make those changes because you've already made them. Let's talk about 109 00:10:34,419 --> 00:10:40,539 that. Every bit of conversation that we have in this lane will help drivers 110 00:10:40,539 --> 00:10:45,779 somewhere. It doesn't matter if they're bulk or spur drivers or if there's somebody that's 111 00:10:45,780 --> 00:10:50,099 listening to this podcast because they want to know more about Bulk and Spur. Maybe they're 112 00:10:50,099 --> 00:10:55,019 thinking about dropping an application, and maybe pneumatics is always given them, uh, that that 113 00:10:55,020 --> 00:11:00,140 little excitement in their life and they want to get back into it. That's great. I'm so happy that 114 00:11:00,179 --> 00:11:04,979 everybody that's listening to this podcast is listening. Know that this is one of those ones 115 00:11:04,979 --> 00:11:11,019 that we can actually affect change with. Uh, and that makes this episode very near and dear to my 116 00:11:11,020 --> 00:11:17,620 heart. I've babbled enough, though. Uh, this interview goes almost an hour, so strap in if 117 00:11:17,620 --> 00:11:22,939 you've got some windshield time. This is the perfect one to listen to and have a conversation 118 00:11:22,940 --> 00:11:29,059 with yourself about where your health is at. So without further ado, let's get Lindsey Brian in 119 00:11:29,059 --> 00:11:30,580 here and get moving. 120 00:11:39,060 --> 00:11:43,420 All right. Welcome back in here to always pneumatic, never static. Now, you guys have heard me 121 00:11:43,460 --> 00:11:50,329 do, uh, introductions many times on this episode or on the show. Excuse me. And I'm. I like a big 122 00:11:50,330 --> 00:11:55,129 fancy introduction, but I have to be honest with you, I don't think I can do this next guest 123 00:11:55,130 --> 00:12:00,289 justice with a big, fancy introduction. So I'm going to get into it and just start asking 124 00:12:00,289 --> 00:12:05,810 questions and let her give her own big introduction. As we talk through all this super 125 00:12:05,810 --> 00:12:10,810 important information that we have to talk about today, I told you in the open, we are here today to 126 00:12:10,849 --> 00:12:17,369 talk about Driver Health and joining us today from project 61. She's the health and wellness 127 00:12:17,370 --> 00:12:22,449 manager at project 61. And her name is Lindsey Brian Lindsey. Thank you so much for being here 128 00:12:22,450 --> 00:12:26,968 today. I can't thank you enough. Uh, this is so important and near and dear to my heart what you 129 00:12:26,969 --> 00:12:32,368 guys are doing at project 61. We are just as grateful for you having me on at such a great 130 00:12:32,369 --> 00:12:38,490 opportunity for us to share what we do and just another way to help reach drivers. Absolutely. And 131 00:12:38,490 --> 00:12:44,249 we got a lot of them listening. So let's dive right in. Tell me about the main mission and focus 132 00:12:44,289 --> 00:12:51,210 of project 61. We really describe ourselves as a movement, but ultimately what we are trying to 133 00:12:51,210 --> 00:12:57,848 do is move the needle on the life expectancy of truck drivers. The 61 and 134 00:12:57,849 --> 00:13:04,649 project 61, unfortunately, is referring to what is often cited as their average age expectancy 135 00:13:04,650 --> 00:13:11,569 61 years of age. And I have to pause after I say that because I get the chills every single time. 136 00:13:11,570 --> 00:13:18,569 It's unacceptable. It shouldn't be that way, right? And so we are building out all sorts of 137 00:13:18,569 --> 00:13:25,450 different resources apps, education pieces, making partners within the industry and also 138 00:13:25,450 --> 00:13:31,089 outside of the industry to figure out how do we fix this? Because it's it's not going to take just 139 00:13:31,090 --> 00:13:37,609 one person or one organization. It's going to take a whole bunch of people. Absolutely. And a whole 140 00:13:37,609 --> 00:13:43,598 bunch of like minded people that I think we all, if you work even adjacent to the trucking 141 00:13:43,599 --> 00:13:48,400 industry. Lindsey. One thing that you'll learn, and I've learned this over my nearly four years 142 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:53,959 making podcasts for drivers, you will develop such a big soft spot in your heart for drivers. They 143 00:13:53,960 --> 00:14:00,000 are such a good group of people. Hardworking, salt of the earth give you the shirt off their back 144 00:14:00,039 --> 00:14:05,119 types, so it totally makes sense to me that you get goosebumps when you see that the average life 145 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:11,999 expectancy in such a crucial lane is only 61 years old. Um, can you talk to me a 146 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:18,879 little bit about really why the name was kind of the, the, the center of the movement there. I 147 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:25,239 mean, it obviously it carries so much gravity when they go, somebody says, why project 61? And you tell 148 00:14:25,239 --> 00:14:30,719 them that? What type of reactions have you had to this name and, and do people take it seriously 149 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:36,119 when they realize that that is actually the average life expectancy for a truck driver? You 150 00:14:36,119 --> 00:14:41,320 know, it's a number that's been cited for a very long time. And what's interested we we're holding 151 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:46,949 on to that number as part of the name, but there are some studies that even cite that number being 152 00:14:46,949 --> 00:14:53,549 lower. I have seen as low as 57 years. And so it depends on the study you're looking at, depending 153 00:14:53,549 --> 00:15:00,269 on how many participants and whatnot. But ultimately the idea behind it is still the same. 154 00:15:00,269 --> 00:15:06,989 It's still unacceptably low. There's still work to do. And so really our hope is that 155 00:15:07,030 --> 00:15:13,909 when it's a little bit of a shock factor and usually it is um, sometimes the the 156 00:15:14,030 --> 00:15:20,549 less expected reaction is that there's concern that it will scare people away from the trucking 157 00:15:20,549 --> 00:15:27,229 industry. And to that, I would say it doesn't have to be 61. That's the good news. And that's 158 00:15:27,229 --> 00:15:32,029 exactly what we're working on. And big picture, I think it's going to take some time for us to move 159 00:15:32,030 --> 00:15:38,789 that number. And when we say a long time, we're probably talking about a decade or more. But for 160 00:15:38,789 --> 00:15:45,750 individuals who jump on board with us and start to make some small. What I describe as bite size 161 00:15:45,750 --> 00:15:51,909 lifestyle changes. We can move that number pretty significantly and especially when we start early. 162 00:15:51,909 --> 00:15:56,469 So rather than scaring people away from the industry, we want to say, hey, it doesn't have to be 163 00:15:56,469 --> 00:16:03,149 this way. But truckers know. They know the risks. They know that it affects their health. This is 164 00:16:03,150 --> 00:16:09,349 not news to them. It's probably shocking. Maybe. Hello, that number is. But what we want to do is 165 00:16:09,349 --> 00:16:14,909 say. But it doesn't have to be that way. And also we can make those changes easy. Right? Bite size, 166 00:16:14,909 --> 00:16:21,630 like you said, baby steps. You know, I've, uh, I've talked to other people involved with project 61 167 00:16:21,669 --> 00:16:26,829 in the past, and that is a real, uh, main theme of a lot of our conversations. We talk about these 168 00:16:26,830 --> 00:16:33,629 incremental steps, small changes every day rather than wholesale large changes. And I find that very 169 00:16:33,630 --> 00:16:39,340 poignant, that that's the way that we're going to move that number two is by one, one choice per day 170 00:16:39,340 --> 00:16:46,218 per person, and you can really move mountains. Um, and I will say, I guess the thing that. 171 00:16:46,260 --> 00:16:50,659 Well, actually, before I go any further, first and foremost, I want to tell you where you can go and 172 00:16:50,659 --> 00:16:55,259 follow along. If you're sitting on break in your truck right now, jump on over to the website. 173 00:16:55,260 --> 00:17:01,979 project-61.org. There's a ton of good information there. Um, and maybe since we're bringing this up 174 00:17:01,979 --> 00:17:06,259 right now, this is a good time to mention the pledge. Lindsey, I noticed when you and I were 175 00:17:06,259 --> 00:17:10,979 emailing back and forth. You have a link to the pledge there on your website. Talk to me a little 176 00:17:10,979 --> 00:17:17,098 bit about the pledge and how that kind of follows the incremental change, uh, path that we're talking 177 00:17:17,099 --> 00:17:24,099 about here. The trekkers health pledge is really for anybody within the trucking industry that 178 00:17:24,339 --> 00:17:30,539 agrees that that number 61 is unacceptable. And so it is a pledge to 179 00:17:30,819 --> 00:17:36,500 do anything and everything that you can to stand behind our truck drivers that are out on the road, 180 00:17:36,500 --> 00:17:42,339 whether that be just spreading the word about project 61. And so this can be just a simple 181 00:17:42,339 --> 00:17:48,618 conversation here and there, and it can come up naturally. I'm sure it does at times, but it can go 182 00:17:48,619 --> 00:17:55,019 all the way up to, hey, let's talk about how can you sponsor project 61, sponsor a truck driver 183 00:17:55,019 --> 00:18:00,859 who's out on the road that needs that support or needs one on one coaching in particular? Um, 184 00:18:00,859 --> 00:18:07,019 in-kind donations. There are plenty of ways to support without giving money directly. And so that 185 00:18:07,020 --> 00:18:13,659 pledge is standing up for we have to change this, but also hopefully finding a way to make 186 00:18:13,699 --> 00:18:20,179 efforts to do so. I love it. I you know, I feel like the pledge is something that we've kind of lost 187 00:18:20,180 --> 00:18:25,980 as a society a little bit, you know, like I'm 41 years old. So back when I was in school, elementary 188 00:18:25,980 --> 00:18:31,220 school and beyond, we were getting pledges hand delivered to our classroom almost every week that 189 00:18:31,220 --> 00:18:36,419 we would sign. And they were always, you know, I won't do drugs and I won't do crime, and I'll, I'll 190 00:18:36,449 --> 00:18:42,809 exercise and eat healthy and that always it. It might seem like lip service or smoke and mirrors 191 00:18:42,810 --> 00:18:47,049 at first, but one thing that you realize is when you start at a young age and you start to commit 192 00:18:47,050 --> 00:18:52,529 people to these different pledges that they're saying, yes, I will sign my name here in crayon, and 193 00:18:52,530 --> 00:18:59,169 I promise to do this thing. It really does move the needle. And and I think that, uh, that I love 194 00:18:59,169 --> 00:19:04,249 that kind of grassroots style that you guys are going for here because, um, you know, some of the 195 00:19:04,249 --> 00:19:10,449 resources that you're offering are there free to drivers, right? Like the app project 61 app, which 196 00:19:10,449 --> 00:19:17,369 you can find more about at project 61.org is Scott free for drivers and it's packed with 197 00:19:17,369 --> 00:19:22,930 amazing information. Can you talk a little bit about the app? Absolutely. So it's free to drivers. 198 00:19:22,930 --> 00:19:29,610 It's also free to fleets. And so if a fleet were listening in and thought I don't know, maybe 199 00:19:29,610 --> 00:19:34,409 they're a little skeptical. And that's okay. We run into that. Don't let the app check it out. You can 200 00:19:34,410 --> 00:19:41,209 download it for free. We do not hide anything behind paywalls or anything like that. So 201 00:19:41,210 --> 00:19:46,489 what we're working on right now, and this is just a really fun working project, is what I would 202 00:19:46,489 --> 00:19:53,329 describe it as. We're building out what we call the five axles, which include fuel. So this is our 203 00:19:53,329 --> 00:19:59,930 nutrition and our fluid intake, uh, move, which of course is exercise and activity. But we're not 204 00:19:59,930 --> 00:20:05,289 necessarily talking about body building here. This is can we track some steps. Can we get in some 205 00:20:05,290 --> 00:20:11,968 stretching. Uh we've also got recharge. And so this is sleep of course, but also rest. It's not always 206 00:20:11,969 --> 00:20:17,009 going to be sleep. Sometimes it's a little more complex than that mental drive which is getting 207 00:20:17,009 --> 00:20:23,369 into mental health. And so this is things like meditation and reducing 208 00:20:23,370 --> 00:20:29,890 stress and managing the stress that we can't get rid of, but also true mental 209 00:20:30,209 --> 00:20:35,399 health. Sometimes we need to go to counseling and there's nothing wrong with that either. And then 210 00:20:35,399 --> 00:20:42,360 the last one is preventative maintenance. So this is things like attending our annual physical. 211 00:20:42,360 --> 00:20:47,879 And if we are prescribed medications are we taking them or are we taking them as prescribed. 212 00:20:47,879 --> 00:20:51,478 So we can't take our blood pressure medication every third day and expect that that's going to 213 00:20:51,479 --> 00:20:57,079 be really effective? Right. Um, so it's all of these things that we're building into the app, and we're 214 00:20:57,079 --> 00:21:02,959 doing this in a fun, easy, uh, kind of checklist sort of way, building it out a little bit further 215 00:21:02,959 --> 00:21:09,240 than that. But it allows you to sync up your fitness tracker. It allows you to look at step 216 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:14,679 counts. And we do step challenges throughout the year where you can compare that to others in your 217 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:21,639 company or even join up with a team. Um, so even our little team at project 61, we are 218 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:26,839 competing with steps, and Jeremy's going to outpace all of us, to be fair, but we are sure 219 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:33,029 trying to keep up with them. Um, and so all of these, again, are just those little ways that we 220 00:21:33,029 --> 00:21:38,789 build in the bite sized pieces and make it more manageable to focus on all of these aspects all 221 00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:43,829 at once. I love it, I love it. Have you thought about putting Jeremy in a truck for ten hours a 222 00:21:43,829 --> 00:21:47,749 day to cut down on those steps a little bit? Because, you know, that's what that's what a lot of 223 00:21:47,749 --> 00:21:53,270 these guys are dealing with it. Look, it's it's hard sometimes. And I think that it doesn't take 224 00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:57,909 somebody that works within or even adjacent to the trucking industry to understand that this is 225 00:21:57,910 --> 00:22:04,069 not a job that lends itself to getting a lot of exercise. Now, that's not to say that some of the 226 00:22:04,189 --> 00:22:10,789 jobs these drivers do aren't physically demanding. I mean, flatbed drivers throwing those tarps. Uh, 227 00:22:10,829 --> 00:22:15,669 some of the pneumatic drivers that we talked to that are climbing up and over the top of train 228 00:22:15,670 --> 00:22:21,989 cars and pulling hoses. This is a physically demanding job, but it doesn't lend itself to a lot 229 00:22:21,989 --> 00:22:28,910 of exercise. And I want to kind of focus right now on that, on that move axis there. Um, 230 00:22:28,949 --> 00:22:34,829 I find it interesting, Lindsey. I've had drivers. I know one driver that sticks out to me right now. I 231 00:22:34,829 --> 00:22:39,309 actually first met him. I walked up to his truck and he was out swinging kettlebells. He had one 232 00:22:39,310 --> 00:22:44,229 kettlebell I didn't know at the time, but the thing was an 80 pound kettlebell, which is wild to 233 00:22:44,269 --> 00:22:49,549 me. But yeah, but he was out there. And I mean, the guy has shoulders like they were carved out of 234 00:22:49,550 --> 00:22:55,069 marble. He just looked so physically fit. And I started to talk to him a little bit and he said, 235 00:22:55,069 --> 00:23:01,549 listen, you're not gonna look like me after even maybe a year of doing this. But he said, the point 236 00:23:01,550 --> 00:23:07,069 is that I made it a habit every day to get out and move my body every time I'm out of the truck, 237 00:23:07,069 --> 00:23:12,229 even if I'm only swinging this thing around a couple of reps, I make sure to do it. And that sort 238 00:23:12,229 --> 00:23:18,149 of mindset there speaks to what we're talking about here with that small incremental change 239 00:23:18,150 --> 00:23:24,829 mindset. And, um, this, this driver, his name is Paris. Great guy. Um, he said, you know what? This 240 00:23:24,830 --> 00:23:31,379 kettlebell takes up so little room in my truck and it does so much for me. and I wonder how many 241 00:23:31,380 --> 00:23:36,339 of those stories you've heard over your time as a health and wellness manager with project 61, 242 00:23:36,339 --> 00:23:42,300 drivers are really creative about the ways they choose to get this movement in. Do you have any 243 00:23:42,339 --> 00:23:46,499 anecdotes or anything like that that you can share about how drivers have kind of cracked the 244 00:23:46,499 --> 00:23:53,099 code to get this exercise in without having like a full on go to the gym three days a week and a 245 00:23:53,099 --> 00:23:58,779 full workout regimen in front of them. Oh, absolutely. And I would say, first and foremost, it 246 00:23:58,780 --> 00:24:04,659 doesn't have to be swinging 80 pound kettlebells. I have heard of drivers using things like a 247 00:24:04,660 --> 00:24:11,059 gallon of water that's 7 or 8 pounds right there, and that's a perfect weight. Um, 248 00:24:11,459 --> 00:24:18,338 our app has got built in exercises that can be done in the cab around 249 00:24:18,339 --> 00:24:24,818 the truck. There's also some that could be, uh, at home with equipment if, you know, if they want a 250 00:24:24,819 --> 00:24:30,540 little variety. Um, but I've heard of all kinds of things, and sometimes it may feel a little silly, 251 00:24:30,540 --> 00:24:37,019 like I've got a driver who does a dance party in her truck every so often, and it reduces 252 00:24:37,020 --> 00:24:43,619 stress. It gets her up and moving. Um, it's a nice little, you know, shake out all the the 253 00:24:43,620 --> 00:24:50,419 knots that sometimes they carry by the end of the day. And she walks away from it feeling just 254 00:24:50,420 --> 00:24:57,259 really positive. So I've heard of some really incredible positive ideas. Fold up bikes. 255 00:24:57,300 --> 00:25:02,659 I've heard of people bringing bikes and scooters and, you know, that sort of thing. And whatever 256 00:25:02,659 --> 00:25:07,179 works. I mean, there's no right or wrong answer here, and that's what's great about it. There's 257 00:25:07,180 --> 00:25:12,620 really not, you know, uh, the fitness bands I have actually said of those downstairs, they can go 258 00:25:12,620 --> 00:25:19,379 into a gallon sized Ziploc bag and they're perfectly contained. Um, I also have one driver, uh, 259 00:25:19,379 --> 00:25:24,180 that I know lives out of his truck. He has a P.O. box that he gets mail at, but he does not have 260 00:25:24,180 --> 00:25:29,610 what you would call a residence in every single time he stops Lindsey. He's always looking for a 261 00:25:29,610 --> 00:25:36,209 viewpoint or a hike to go on, and he's not out there in sweat bands and Nike's. He's out there in 262 00:25:36,209 --> 00:25:41,889 his work boots and his jeans, and he's just out seeing the sights. But what you don't really stop 263 00:25:41,890 --> 00:25:47,689 to realize is, hey, that's a couple thousand steps right there. That's 5000 steps. That's great motion 264 00:25:47,689 --> 00:25:52,449 for your body. And if you're working up an over terrain and things like that, you're gonna feel 265 00:25:52,489 --> 00:25:57,849 better. You're you're going to be healthier, you're going to live longer. And let's not forget, going 266 00:25:57,850 --> 00:26:03,369 out on a nature hike is fantastic for the six inches between our ears. Lindsey. It absolutely is. 267 00:26:03,369 --> 00:26:07,889 And so we're checking multiple boxes there. I think that's important. I tell drivers there's 268 00:26:07,890 --> 00:26:12,289 really two things that we have to aim for when we're talking about activity. One, it has to be 269 00:26:12,290 --> 00:26:18,088 enjoyable if we are hating it day after day, there's going to come a point where we decide, I'm 270 00:26:18,089 --> 00:26:23,209 never doing this again, so we have to enjoy it. And the second thing is that it has to be sustainable. 271 00:26:23,209 --> 00:26:29,279 And so if we are absolutely killing ourselves trying to get in that activity. That's probably 272 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:34,560 not going to work. We don't want to go from the couch to A5K back to the couch. That's not doing 273 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:40,639 us any favors long term. There's not a finish line on building healthier habits. We have to do them 274 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:46,679 forever, and that's hard to hear. Sometimes that can feel impossible. But when we're talking about 275 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:52,479 small, incremental things like, hey, let's get in a thousand steps, let's do a few lunges on the way 276 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:59,399 to the restroom. Let's swing around a kettlebell a few times. It's whatever it may be. Do that if 277 00:26:59,399 --> 00:27:04,479 that's what you enjoy and it's sustainable, do it. Yeah, put on the journey record and just get down. 278 00:27:04,479 --> 00:27:09,759 I mean, you know, have a little bit of fun out there to you. I, I that dance party example is so 279 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:16,759 cool because of I see so many mental health aspects just lighting up as, as you do that more 280 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:21,239 the first time, you're going to feel like a goofball. After you shake that feeling, you are 281 00:27:21,239 --> 00:27:25,799 going to feel like a million bucks after dance for. I mean, name the last time you went out and 282 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:30,839 cut a rug on the dance floor and didn't feel like a million bucks. Lindsey. That's exactly it. That's 283 00:27:30,839 --> 00:27:35,919 exactly it. And we can all imagine that feeling. That's actually how my son and I, who was a 284 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,759 toddler at the time, by the way, that's how we survived Covid, is we would have late night dance 285 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:46,239 parties with what I call DJ data, my husband. And that's how we survived it. So 286 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:52,240 absolutely it works. Here we are. Yeah, it really does work. And I think that it's it's really 287 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:57,639 important to have these conversations because the one thing that I love about their being an app 288 00:27:57,639 --> 00:28:04,519 and their being kind of a support system there, is that for me. I am not a I'm not a gym rat. I was an 289 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:09,119 athlete in school, but we weren't I didn't go to this high school where it's like, you know, you 290 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:13,079 spend four hours in the gym and then you do two hours of practice like it was a small rural 291 00:28:13,079 --> 00:28:17,959 farming town, like, we gotta go set pipe. We gotta go buck hay bales. We'll get our exercise in then. 292 00:28:17,959 --> 00:28:24,549 And then you kind of just end up at practice doing the thing. So after high school, for me. One 293 00:28:24,550 --> 00:28:30,509 thing that really helped me to motivate me was having somebody else. Didn't matter who is 294 00:28:30,509 --> 00:28:35,068 somebody doing this thing that I'm also doing? Hey, what was your mile time today? Hey, how much did 295 00:28:35,069 --> 00:28:39,389 you bench? Hey, how many steps did you get in has become a huge thing with all these fitness 296 00:28:39,390 --> 00:28:45,068 trackers. Uh, what's your pulse looking like? Just things to bounce off of somebody else. As a 297 00:28:45,069 --> 00:28:51,750 support system and project 61 app can be that for the individual driver or the fleet. Right? 298 00:28:51,790 --> 00:28:58,629 Absolutely. It absolutely can. We have a way where we can set up teams and so drivers can 299 00:28:58,629 --> 00:29:05,109 compare their steps within their company. And it's meant to be healthy, friendly competition, right? 300 00:29:05,149 --> 00:29:11,668 Nothing. Nothing too crazy. But for some people it's just enough of a motivation of like, hey, 301 00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:15,908 so-and-so's got a thousand more steps than me today. I need to do a few laps around the fuel 302 00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:21,749 stop. Right? That's all we're looking for. So it works great for that. And you said some people, I 303 00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:28,309 am those people. I am that guy. Totally understand it. It helps me so much. Um, I want to talk a little 304 00:29:28,349 --> 00:29:33,110 bit here. Is it not really turned the corner because we're talking about the same overarching 305 00:29:33,150 --> 00:29:39,429 thing here. And that's moving this number from 61 out. And you know, one thing I'll throw in here 306 00:29:39,429 --> 00:29:44,749 before I get to my next question. I have a lot of drivers tell me, uh, especially about this fleet, 307 00:29:44,750 --> 00:29:50,549 about, uh, bulk and Spur. They say I'm retiring here. That's one thing that they love to say. I'm 308 00:29:50,550 --> 00:29:55,229 retiring at this company. I love this company. And if you're out there thinking about that, I want 309 00:29:55,229 --> 00:30:00,509 you to remember one thing as we go through this conversation, general, pretty much down the middle 310 00:30:00,510 --> 00:30:07,108 retirement age for anybody in the in the country that we live in is 65. And we're talking about 311 00:30:07,109 --> 00:30:13,470 you're not even going to make it to retirement age on average. That's that is absolutely 312 00:30:13,509 --> 00:30:18,270 terrifying to me when I when I really break it down like that, because I know a lot of these guys 313 00:30:18,270 --> 00:30:23,620 that are getting close, man, you're on your last four years. You're on your last year or two, and 314 00:30:23,780 --> 00:30:29,218 you don't want to have a health crisis right before you hang up the gloves for good and get to 315 00:30:29,260 --> 00:30:35,139 go out and enjoy those golden years. Um, and I think that kind of takes me to my next question 316 00:30:35,140 --> 00:30:40,899 here. Lindsey. What health problems are you seeing over and over and over again as the health and 317 00:30:40,900 --> 00:30:46,819 wellness manager at project 61, I know you deal with a lot of people. You see so many cases every 318 00:30:46,820 --> 00:30:53,739 single day. What are some of the real, um, A1 type risks that we're seeing and what are the health 319 00:30:53,740 --> 00:31:00,060 implications that come with them? Yeah. So I can actually speak to this quite in depth from a 320 00:31:00,419 --> 00:31:06,859 health data perspective. I used to work for another nonprofit within the trucking industry 321 00:31:06,859 --> 00:31:13,499 that does health and wellness education, and I can narrow it down to the top six, 322 00:31:13,580 --> 00:31:20,419 five of which are preventable, which I think is kind of shocking for most people. So, uh, diabetes 323 00:31:20,419 --> 00:31:26,459 and diabetes complications. Many times, by the time a driver is actually finding out that they're 324 00:31:26,459 --> 00:31:33,259 diabetic, it's severe. There's not often early warning signs until they have 325 00:31:33,260 --> 00:31:39,540 neuropathy. They're having severe vision problems. They're having an amputation even. Um, so 326 00:31:39,939 --> 00:31:46,219 again, that's one that we can prevent or at least delay pretty significantly. Uh, 327 00:31:46,220 --> 00:31:52,939 cardiovascular disease, heart attacks, strokes, cancer, especially lung 328 00:31:52,939 --> 00:31:59,859 cancer. Uh, so for the record, I'm a certified tobacco treatment specialist. I will tell 329 00:31:59,859 --> 00:32:05,900 you the first thing. We got to cut out the tobacco, we have to, um, and the last one, the one that we 330 00:32:05,900 --> 00:32:12,779 can't do a whole lot about is breaks and fractures. Technically, we can reduce 331 00:32:12,779 --> 00:32:17,419 the risk of those when we are exercising. We're actually doing that. We're not just strengthening 332 00:32:17,420 --> 00:32:21,728 our muscles, but we're also strengthening our bones, believe it or not. But many times these are 333 00:32:21,729 --> 00:32:27,689 freak accidents sort of things. There's only so much we can do about that. But, uh, but yeah, the top 334 00:32:27,689 --> 00:32:34,169 five are absolutely ones that can be prevented. Yeah. For sure. You know, you think about, you hear 335 00:32:34,170 --> 00:32:39,329 breaks and fractures, and the first thing that comes to mind is three points of contact. Yes. But 336 00:32:39,329 --> 00:32:44,209 if you have a healthier body, those three points of contact are even more solid, right? It's all 337 00:32:44,249 --> 00:32:50,650 kind of interconnected. Um, I, you know, the heart disease and the diabetes is something that as 338 00:32:50,650 --> 00:32:56,410 Americans, we've heard that it's something that's very prevalent in our society. But it does take a 339 00:32:56,410 --> 00:33:02,089 huge chunk out of the trucking industry every single year. And look, it stands to reason a lot of 340 00:33:02,090 --> 00:33:07,248 you guys are sitting for 10 to 11 hours a day. That is I mean, listen, I sit when I record 341 00:33:07,249 --> 00:33:12,249 podcasts and I record podcasts pretty much all day, but I can get up and walk across the room and 342 00:33:12,249 --> 00:33:18,439 back for 40 good steps. I can bend over at the waist and stretch my hamstrings. I can get a nice 343 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:23,839 twist in and get a little crack at the back. People don't understand Lindsey how much that 344 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:30,359 really does move the needle, as I've said multiple times. The incremental part of it is 345 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:36,600 so important, especially when you're sitting so much all day and that part of the job is 346 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:43,599 required. Yes, yes. I don't think people realize how hard that is on the body. But I also would 347 00:33:43,599 --> 00:33:49,759 tell people, I think sometimes when we imagine, how do we reverse the damage of that? People imagine 348 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:54,839 we've got to go run, right? We've got to run for a long period of time to try to reverse that. And 349 00:33:54,839 --> 00:34:00,079 that's not necessarily the case. Now, if you can do that and you've got the energy for it and the 350 00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:06,959 means, great, absolutely do it. But even just being intentional about breaking up that time whenever 351 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:12,999 possible, uh, getting the heart rate up a little bit. So let's do maybe some speed walking through 352 00:34:12,999 --> 00:34:19,139 the parking lot a couple times. Uh, it doesn't have to be long, lengthy periods of time. Even just 5 to 353 00:34:19,139 --> 00:34:25,919 10 minutes every few hours can make a big difference. It's the longer that we sit, the 354 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:31,399 longer that the heart is more sedentary and our muscles are more sedentary. And that's where we 355 00:34:31,399 --> 00:34:37,159 start to see those risks just increase more and more and more. You know, I bought a 12 pound 356 00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:42,039 weighted vest. I like my neighborhood walks. And I was just looking for a way to make this a better 357 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,839 thing for me. How do I get more out of this walk? Because here's the deal. I've got a I've got a 358 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:52,119 repaired knee. I've got no cartilage in one of the the joints in my knee. I'm not running on concrete. 359 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:56,639 It's just not going to happen. But I can get out there and walk for a solid hour. I pack on that 360 00:34:56,639 --> 00:35:01,719 little 12 pound weighted vest. I notice that I'm burning more calories. It did affect my pace. I'm 361 00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:07,320 not gonna lie to you. I wasn't moving as fast, but I am now. That's okay. Right? It's all it's all 362 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:13,760 about those incremental steps. And now I'm back up on pace with the 12 pounds on. I mean, again, this 363 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:19,989 is just more anecdotal stuff to try to illustrate that small changes can happen. You don't need 12 364 00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:25,029 pounds. You could do that with a 6 pound weight. You could pack two bottles of water and actually 365 00:35:25,029 --> 00:35:29,708 get more out of that walk than if you weren't packing those two bottles of water. Right. That's 366 00:35:29,709 --> 00:35:36,388 exactly it. All it takes is little bits. Um, when we think about how we increase 367 00:35:36,389 --> 00:35:43,349 our fitness over time. Ideally it would go just exactly like what you're describing. We do this 368 00:35:43,350 --> 00:35:47,269 activity over a period of time, and eventually it doesn't feel so hard. So we find a way to make it 369 00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:52,629 harder. And whether that's increasing our pace or increasing our distance or increasing the weight 370 00:35:52,629 --> 00:35:57,789 that we're carrying as part of that, even just a backpack that'll do it, throw it through a jacket 371 00:35:57,790 --> 00:36:03,469 and a backpack. You're good to go. Um, it doesn't have to be. Go out and buy all this expensive 372 00:36:03,469 --> 00:36:09,430 equipment. We don't have to get fancy with it, just enough to increase the difficulty. And then 373 00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:14,388 eventually that becomes easy. And then we've got to find something else to do. Right. But but again, 374 00:36:14,389 --> 00:36:19,709 nobody's saying we've got to go run a marathon. Exactly. If you get to that point, fantastic. And 375 00:36:19,709 --> 00:36:24,069 definitely get send me an email and let me know because we'll have you on the podcast and talk 376 00:36:24,110 --> 00:36:29,830 about that. That'd be a very inspirational story. And there are thousands of these inspirational 377 00:36:29,830 --> 00:36:35,629 stories coming out of the work that project 61 is doing. Um, and I love to see it. You know, there's 378 00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:41,189 one story that that somebody involved with project 61 a while back was telling me about 379 00:36:41,189 --> 00:36:47,109 incremental change. And it's always been sort of the big picture for me for incremental change. And, 380 00:36:47,110 --> 00:36:53,869 uh, this this person had a driver who was drinking 24 regular Pepsis a day, every single day, go into 381 00:36:53,870 --> 00:37:00,669 the store, walk out with 24 full sugar bomb Pepsis and drink all of them every day. And the way that 382 00:37:00,669 --> 00:37:05,909 the incremental change started with this driver in particular. And this'll blow you away when I 383 00:37:05,909 --> 00:37:12,739 get to the end of it. But 23 regular Pepsis and one Pepsi Zero Sugar. And pretty soon that 384 00:37:12,740 --> 00:37:19,419 became two and three and on down the line until full sugar sodas cut out of that guy's diet. Tell 385 00:37:19,459 --> 00:37:25,459 me from your perspective, Lindsey, as the health and wellness manager at project 61, how big of a 386 00:37:25,459 --> 00:37:31,979 change cutting out 24 regular Pepsis is, or even just one for that matter, when you're 387 00:37:31,979 --> 00:37:38,939 sitting for ten hours a day? I mean, that's mind blowing. It's amazing. It really is. And I don't 388 00:37:38,939 --> 00:37:45,820 say that to with any minimization whatsoever. That's incredible. Even just one. When we think 389 00:37:45,820 --> 00:37:51,619 about how much sugar is in one of those, you know, I'm thinking about what I know about the body and 390 00:37:51,620 --> 00:37:57,299 how it's processing that sugar. And it is not using that sugar. We are not doing that level of 391 00:37:57,300 --> 00:38:03,239 activity on a regular basis. Even truth be told, your walks around the neighborhood with your 12 392 00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:08,139 pound vest are not going to use the sugar that's in that soda. And so what ends up happening is the 393 00:38:08,139 --> 00:38:13,459 body stores that up, and it's got to get creative with how it stores it up, because it's got a 394 00:38:13,459 --> 00:38:18,659 backup plan and a backup backup plan and a backup backup plan in case we were ever in a famine, 395 00:38:18,659 --> 00:38:22,979 right? Well, we're generally not going to get to that point. We're not expecting that. Right? Right. 396 00:38:23,020 --> 00:38:29,419 And so the body's really having to compensate for every single extra soda that we 397 00:38:29,459 --> 00:38:34,419 drink, even when it's just an occasional one. Even the healthiest person, the occasional one, the body 398 00:38:34,420 --> 00:38:40,459 is like, man, we have to process this. Yep. And it's got to work hard to do so. So when I think about 399 00:38:40,459 --> 00:38:47,300 what 24 of them is doing, but also on the flip side of that, what it means to cut out 400 00:38:47,300 --> 00:38:52,499 that many of them. It's incredible. Right, right. I mean, just the habit, the ritual. Like we're all 401 00:38:52,499 --> 00:38:58,779 creatures of habit, I get it. Pepsi's delicious. I'm not. I'm I'm not partial to Coke or Pepsi. You put 402 00:38:58,779 --> 00:39:04,339 one of them in front of me. I'm gonna put it back. I just love it so much. But I totally understand 403 00:39:04,340 --> 00:39:09,418 the the ritual part of it, too. It's long, road trips are tough, and and I, I've said this many 404 00:39:09,450 --> 00:39:14,249 times on this podcast, you get me. I live seven hours away from where I grew up, so when I go back 405 00:39:14,249 --> 00:39:19,649 to see Mom and dad and my sister, it's a long drive and my the inside of my truck looks like an 406 00:39:19,649 --> 00:39:25,009 unsupervised child was given a hundred bucks and set loose in a 7-Eleven. I get it, I totally 407 00:39:25,009 --> 00:39:29,689 understand and this I, I feel like I'm speaking for a lot of people here. Road trip snacks are 408 00:39:29,729 --> 00:39:34,769 sort of part of the road trip, but the difference is I'm doing that once every four months. You guys 409 00:39:34,770 --> 00:39:40,770 are doing it every single day and I it it makes it a little bit tougher on you. And the nutrition 410 00:39:40,770 --> 00:39:45,729 side of this is a big side of it. Obviously it's one of your five axles that you're working on at 411 00:39:45,729 --> 00:39:52,089 project 61. Um, the the fuel side of things I think has been really interesting from my 412 00:39:52,090 --> 00:39:58,610 perspective. Talk to a lot of drivers doing all these podcast episodes, and I'm noticing a trend, 413 00:39:58,649 --> 00:40:04,009 Lindsey, that I really like, and that is that way more drivers are starting to either meal prep at 414 00:40:04,009 --> 00:40:09,599 their home and take it with them on the road, or they've got all sorts of little pressure cookers 415 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:15,599 and crock pots and little hot plates and things like that. Even Coleman stoves that they can use 416 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:20,319 to grill up a nice piece of meat or something like that when they're outside of the truck, at 417 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:26,519 the truck stop, or at the rest area. Um, from your side, are you seeing that trending in a positive 418 00:40:26,519 --> 00:40:32,959 direction like I am? I absolutely am. I think that as a whole, there's more awareness 419 00:40:32,959 --> 00:40:38,679 about what's in our food. And some of that has been gradual change over a period of time. So 420 00:40:38,799 --> 00:40:45,439 there was a law that passed, I don't know, sometime within the last 5 to 7 years where if a 421 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:50,639 restaurant is a chain with seven or more locations, they have to post the nutrition 422 00:40:50,639 --> 00:40:56,199 information. It puts it front and center. And so you see it on the menu of how many calories are 423 00:40:56,199 --> 00:41:01,319 in it. And people are aware of it. They're noticing it more. They're learning a little bit more as 424 00:41:01,319 --> 00:41:07,600 they go. And it makes them stop and think, which is exactly what we hope to do with the education 425 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:14,599 that we provide. We're not aiming for bland, boring diets. That's not the goal. We want you to 426 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:19,999 enjoy your food, make it flavorful. Make it something that you're going to enjoy eating. But 427 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,999 also, can we reduce the sodium? Can we reduce the sugar? Can we make healthier choices? And we can 428 00:41:24,999 --> 00:41:30,239 absolutely do that by preparing it ourselves. We are not going to add nearly the amount of butter 429 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:35,878 that a fast food joint is going to add, or saturated fats, or trans fats or sodium. We could 430 00:41:35,879 --> 00:41:41,878 say that about many new nutrient pieces. But yes, that's going to make a huge difference. And I am. 431 00:41:41,879 --> 00:41:48,119 I'm seeing it and I love that that's happening. I love it too. And man, I you just in talking through 432 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:52,399 that and and talking about the chain restaurants that have to post the nutrition facts, I 433 00:41:52,639 --> 00:41:57,639 immediately thought back to probably even the last time I was at a drive thru, and I was looking 434 00:41:57,639 --> 00:42:02,720 at the menu and thinking, there's that many calories in that. Like I never knew that. It 435 00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:06,749 certainly doesn't feel like that when you're eating it, but then you think about like an hour 436 00:42:06,749 --> 00:42:12,429 or two later. Oh, yeah. That's why I feel like that is because that's the caloric intake. I'm getting 437 00:42:12,430 --> 00:42:18,509 a day and a half worth of sodium. I'm getting three days worth of fat all in 15 minutes or so. 438 00:42:18,509 --> 00:42:24,229 And, uh, you know, the the mental health aspect of cooking in the truck or meal prepping at home and 439 00:42:24,229 --> 00:42:31,029 eating a well prepared, nutritious meal is also sort of understated. You don't understand how much 440 00:42:31,029 --> 00:42:36,870 better the brain functions, um, when you're on that really nutritious food until you've been on it 441 00:42:36,870 --> 00:42:41,709 for a while and you think, man, when was the last time I was foggy? When was the last time I lost my 442 00:42:41,709 --> 00:42:46,829 train of thought? Right in the middle of a sentence? It really does make a difference. And I 443 00:42:46,830 --> 00:42:51,469 love it. Drivers, if you're doing it out there, we always love to share recipes and things like that 444 00:42:51,470 --> 00:42:57,230 on the show, so make sure to stop by our website real quick. podcast.bulktransit.com and send 445 00:42:57,230 --> 00:43:01,949 me an email. I want to hear about the things that you guys are doing out there, uh, in the way of 446 00:43:01,949 --> 00:43:08,069 nutrition or exercise, if you've got some tips and tricks, the best thing we can do is share them so 447 00:43:08,070 --> 00:43:13,509 that other drivers can maybe pick up on that. Nobody is the same. No two people are doing this 448 00:43:13,509 --> 00:43:18,990 the exact same way. Lindsey I assume that's just a given. That's absolutely it. And I think that's 449 00:43:18,990 --> 00:43:25,789 exactly how we as an industry continue to move in the right direction. When I first stepped into the 450 00:43:25,790 --> 00:43:32,549 trucking industry, I was so brand new. I was calling it gas stations. And a driver had to say, 451 00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:38,668 no, no, we call it Fuel Stops. And I went, okay, I will never say it wrong again. But now I know, 452 00:43:38,830 --> 00:43:44,869 right? You don't know until you know. And so I had a lot to learn, I really did. And I 453 00:43:45,509 --> 00:43:52,429 would argue that in my classes that I taught for a long time, I learned just as much from them 454 00:43:52,429 --> 00:43:59,229 as they learned from me, because I've never had to cook, relying only 455 00:43:59,229 --> 00:44:06,139 on an air fryer or only a microwave. Um, so. So it 456 00:44:06,179 --> 00:44:11,820 went both ways. It very much did. Yeah. They've got a these truck drivers have a real good way of of 457 00:44:11,820 --> 00:44:16,019 teaching you about the aspects of life that you don't get to see very often when you're not 458 00:44:16,020 --> 00:44:21,299 living life out there on the road. And, um, you know, something I want to bring up to I. I'm an avid 459 00:44:21,300 --> 00:44:26,619 outdoorsman. You'll hear me talk about hunting on the show quite frequently. And I know especially 460 00:44:26,620 --> 00:44:31,539 being based out there in Ohio, plus all those other terminals that bulk has all over the 461 00:44:31,540 --> 00:44:37,939 Midwest. The deer hunting is impeccable out there. If you are a hunter, that meat that's coming from 462 00:44:37,940 --> 00:44:43,739 that deer that you're getting is so nutritious. Or if you're an elk hunter, even better, 20g of 463 00:44:43,739 --> 00:44:49,859 protein to one gram of fat in, uh, in elk meat fishing. I know we've got a ton of fishermen here. 464 00:44:49,860 --> 00:44:54,619 You guys are hauling out some of the best nutritious food out of these waterways that you 465 00:44:54,620 --> 00:45:00,980 can find. And, uh, how great would it feel, Lindsey, to throw an elk steak on the grill out there when 466 00:45:00,980 --> 00:45:06,219 you're out? I know that space is limited, but this is part of just it's sometimes I think the 467 00:45:06,220 --> 00:45:11,739 aspects of just not thinking about these things is one of the reasons that you never think about 468 00:45:11,740 --> 00:45:15,938 them. They don't get brought up. It's not friend of mine stuff. You just it doesn't click for you. And 469 00:45:15,939 --> 00:45:21,899 that's part of the point of having these conversations is there are so many ways really, 470 00:45:22,019 --> 00:45:28,139 and in an infinite amount of ways it's tripping over the tongue. But yeah, so many different ways 471 00:45:28,139 --> 00:45:33,340 that you could do this. And and we haven't even gotten to one of the most important parts that I 472 00:45:33,340 --> 00:45:39,979 think is pretty underappreciated. And that is the recharge axis that you guys are talking about. Um, 473 00:45:40,020 --> 00:45:45,939 drivers and sleep apnea. Name a better combo. There's constant sleep apnea out there for 474 00:45:45,939 --> 00:45:52,179 drivers, and that is having a dad and three of my closest friends who all wear CPAp. 475 00:45:52,780 --> 00:45:59,619 Um, I'll tell you right now, that's a life changer. If you can get your sleep adjusted it, it can do. I 476 00:45:59,620 --> 00:46:03,729 mean, it can kind of supercharge all this stuff, right? Lindsey, if you're getting the right rest, 477 00:46:03,729 --> 00:46:09,329 the exercise you're getting, the nutrition you're getting, they're all extrapolated to a larger 478 00:46:09,330 --> 00:46:15,050 degree. Is that correct? Absolutely. All of these health axels that we talk about, they are all 479 00:46:15,050 --> 00:46:21,209 interrelated. They overlap in a lot of ways. And so if we're not sleeping well, we don't have the 480 00:46:21,210 --> 00:46:26,610 energy to be putting forethought into what we're eating and planning ahead. And so we tend to make 481 00:46:26,610 --> 00:46:32,649 worse choices. Our coping skills are lower, so we may more be more likely to make impulsive food 482 00:46:32,689 --> 00:46:37,089 choices like, hey, I'm going to go with this candy bar while I'm checking out at the fuel stop. Right. 483 00:46:37,089 --> 00:46:43,850 And that's what tends to happen. So the reverse is true as well. When we're sleeping well, we wake up 484 00:46:43,850 --> 00:46:49,210 with better coping skills. We are thinking with our full frontal lobe, which means we're planning 485 00:46:49,210 --> 00:46:55,529 ahead. We're thinking about the consequences of our decisions. We are much less likely to give in 486 00:46:55,529 --> 00:47:00,959 to those impulse food choices. We've got more energy, which means we're more likely to be 487 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:07,759 willing to exercise and actually enjoy it potentially, which is the goal. Um, so it all it all 488 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:13,638 plays in it very much does. And I would say to, you know, I think there's a lot of, um, 489 00:47:14,479 --> 00:47:21,319 misinformation about sleep apnea. I think that we imagine that the average person that has it is 490 00:47:21,679 --> 00:47:28,600 overweight and, and and right, we can go on and on. But that's not always true. And I use my mom 491 00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:33,479 as an example here. She has got sleep apnea. She's had it for a very long time. She is a little 492 00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:39,919 petite woman who snores like a freight train without her CPAp machine. It was unexpected. Hers 493 00:47:39,919 --> 00:47:45,478 came from a series of surgeries where they think it just damaged that little flap in the esophagus. 494 00:47:45,479 --> 00:47:51,599 And, uh, next thing you knew, she was having the fatigue and all the things we would expect to go 495 00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:58,559 along with sleep apnea. But it took a while to diagnose because it was unexpected. Sure. Yeah. And 496 00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:03,878 great point there. It does not take a massive amount of extra weight sitting on your chest to 497 00:48:03,919 --> 00:48:10,759 cause this. My most fit friend, the guy who he he works ten minutes away from his gym. He 498 00:48:10,759 --> 00:48:16,799 goes to the gym for his morning break, his lunch break and his afternoon break. He's a psychopath. I 499 00:48:16,799 --> 00:48:22,719 can't understand the way that his mind works, but he is the most fit and in shape, wedge shaped 500 00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:28,999 human being I have ever seen. And he is one of my friends on a sleep apnea machine. And it does. It 501 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:34,359 really does not have a type. It's whether or not you're you're afflicted with it or not. And the 502 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:40,479 point here is no judgment whatsoever. But get that taken care of because it can really change your 503 00:48:40,479 --> 00:48:47,359 life. Um, you know, I, I remember when my dad first got his, uh, CPAp mask, and this is going back over 504 00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:53,359 a decade. It was back when they were kind of just first starting to become popular. And the whole 505 00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:57,389 thing was, I got to sleep with this thing on my face. How am I going to do that? And, you know, 506 00:48:57,430 --> 00:49:03,269 irritation on the nose and everything. First and foremost, the technology has come. So much better. 507 00:49:03,310 --> 00:49:09,069 It's so much better now. And besides that, you don't care what's on your face when you're 508 00:49:09,070 --> 00:49:13,469 actually getting good sleep, right? That's one thing that is hard to connect. How am I ever going 509 00:49:13,469 --> 00:49:17,749 to get to sleep with that? Well, it's pumping oxygen into your blood, so sooner or later you're 510 00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:23,070 going to fall asleep, right. And and the the benefits from there, uh, are just monumental, 511 00:49:23,070 --> 00:49:29,389 Lindsey. Yes. People feel better. They are sleeping better. They've got more energy. They're able to 512 00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:35,388 make better food choices. It's so many things. But I also would add to that I think this is a lesser 513 00:49:35,389 --> 00:49:41,989 known risk of sleep apnea. But when people are stopping breathing multiple times, 514 00:49:41,989 --> 00:49:48,668 sometimes multiple times in an hour, um, some of those numbers get alarmingly high. We just 515 00:49:48,669 --> 00:49:54,029 assume, well, the body is going to trigger us to start breathing again, which is usually what 516 00:49:54,029 --> 00:50:00,309 happens, but it can actually get so severe that people don't start breathing again and they can 517 00:50:00,309 --> 00:50:07,229 pass away in their sleep. And so I think we've got to remember that, for I hear this all the 518 00:50:07,229 --> 00:50:11,269 time. I'm like, I don't want to have to wear that thing. I don't even have to want to want to have 519 00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:17,469 to test for it because I'm not going to wear it. But the consequences are severe. 520 00:50:18,190 --> 00:50:22,429 At least they can be. And of course, that nobody wants me to harp on this part. But the safety 521 00:50:22,430 --> 00:50:29,110 aspect when you're driving, that's significant too. Um, and so, yeah, the technology is better, 522 00:50:29,149 --> 00:50:34,229 though. The masks fit better. I would tell anybody who's had to wear one. If you don't love the one 523 00:50:34,229 --> 00:50:40,429 you're wearing, there are so many different options. Now find the one that fits you and it's 524 00:50:40,429 --> 00:50:44,749 not going to be the same for everybody. No one size fits all. Just like with all the things that 525 00:50:44,749 --> 00:50:51,749 we've talked about. Absolutely. Uh, which brings us to our last axis here that we haven't touched on. 526 00:50:51,749 --> 00:50:57,099 Um, and, and that is well, actually, there's a couple that we haven't touched on, but the mental health 527 00:50:57,139 --> 00:51:03,739 aspect of things, we've kind of gotten to it through all the rest of these. I think it's um, 528 00:51:03,779 --> 00:51:09,659 it's kind of just known that if you do a little incremental step for all the rest of these things, 529 00:51:09,659 --> 00:51:15,339 you're fuel your movement and your recharge. Your mental health is going to start to make leaps and 530 00:51:15,340 --> 00:51:22,299 bounds, uh, in, in the positive direction. And, and I don't want that to go 531 00:51:22,300 --> 00:51:26,859 as like, oh, that's just one that we're passing over. But there, there are some other things that 532 00:51:26,860 --> 00:51:31,499 we can do to help our mental health out there on the road. Lindsey, I wonder if you want to talk 533 00:51:31,539 --> 00:51:36,899 about a couple of those things. The sleep obviously huge, the food huge, the exercise huge. 534 00:51:36,899 --> 00:51:42,079 But what about that windshield time? What can we do to help our mental health when we've got ten 535 00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:47,099 hours worth of road in front of us? And, uh, you know, we might only be stopping once to to grab 536 00:51:47,100 --> 00:51:53,939 some diesel and and an apple, not a candy bar. Right. I think that during that time, we 537 00:51:53,939 --> 00:52:00,659 can think of this as how are we going to fuel our mind? And this is what are we 538 00:52:00,659 --> 00:52:07,379 listening to? Is this music that supports a good mood? We can absolutely listen to some sad songs 539 00:52:07,379 --> 00:52:12,138 and get ourselves in a deep, dark place. Or we can listen to music that makes us feel good and 540 00:52:12,139 --> 00:52:17,819 positive and energetic. And I would also tell drivers an important part of that time, whenever 541 00:52:17,820 --> 00:52:24,259 possible, when it's safe to do so, connect with somebody. There is so much time out on the road 542 00:52:24,259 --> 00:52:29,539 that is spent socially isolated, and I think sometimes it's easy to forget just how isolating 543 00:52:29,539 --> 00:52:36,299 it is until you're in that deep, dark place and it's, you know, 1 a.m. and you're like, who do I 544 00:52:36,299 --> 00:52:42,658 call? Right? Right. That's when it hits like this is this can be a very lonely 545 00:52:42,659 --> 00:52:49,499 job. And so connect with people, even if it's just calling to say, hey, how's it 546 00:52:49,499 --> 00:52:55,408 going? Here's where I'm at. Whatever that conversation looks like. Just reach out to your 547 00:52:55,409 --> 00:53:02,369 people. And that can make a huge difference. That social connection very much plays into mental 548 00:53:02,370 --> 00:53:08,928 health, but also our long term brain health. Social connection is one of the most 549 00:53:08,929 --> 00:53:15,809 significant controllable factors to prevent Alzheimer's disease and dementia. Wow. 550 00:53:15,850 --> 00:53:21,849 Connecting with people. Just talking to people. You know, it's it's amazing to me. The happiest drivers 551 00:53:21,850 --> 00:53:28,849 I talk to do exactly that. They're constantly in touch with family and friends. In fact, just last 552 00:53:28,850 --> 00:53:34,169 week I got three drivers in to do a podcast interview with them. I had scheduled them all at 553 00:53:34,169 --> 00:53:38,849 separate times, in separate conversations, and when I had them all on the phone at once, one of the 554 00:53:38,849 --> 00:53:43,249 guys spoke up and he said, yeah, this is just like what we normally do. And I said, wait, what do you 555 00:53:43,249 --> 00:53:47,289 mean? And he said, well, we were on the phone for like seven hours yesterday. And I said, you guys 556 00:53:47,290 --> 00:53:52,439 are just working on yeah, man, we're just connected all the and all of a sudden it clicks. No wonder 557 00:53:52,439 --> 00:53:56,999 you guys are so happy. You guys are constantly. You're probably breaking each other's balls on 558 00:53:56,999 --> 00:54:02,198 there. You're you're telling stories. You're you're talking about the idiots in traffic that you see 559 00:54:02,439 --> 00:54:09,199 just getting those cobwebs cleared out and not letting them stack up is such a big thing. And 560 00:54:09,199 --> 00:54:15,919 listen, the other aspect here that is very big is, is your family back home. This helps them too. It 561 00:54:15,919 --> 00:54:20,759 doesn't only help the driver, it's really beneficial for the family. I had a story told on 562 00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:26,080 another podcast about a driver who had a young son at home, and the kid always wanted to know 563 00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:31,799 where dad was. So what he started doing is every time he stopped for the night or for a break, he 564 00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:36,279 would grab a rock from the side of the road or from the parking lot or whatever, and he would 565 00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:41,279 write the location that he was on, and he would take those rocks home and give them to his young 566 00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:46,359 son, who absolutely loved it. Because not only do I see all these places dad's been, but I got this 567 00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:51,279 awesome new collection of rocks to play with and I'm always adding to it every single time dad 568 00:54:51,279 --> 00:54:58,239 comes home. Just to fast forward 20 some years, that gentleman is now working in an orientation 569 00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:04,119 department running it, and his son is in medical school, which he was able to put his son through 570 00:55:04,159 --> 00:55:11,120 via a trucking job. But that kid, that man still has those rocks. So you think about that 571 00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:16,080 and the impact that something like that has to have on you as a kid all these years later to 572 00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:20,199 where you're pursuing a medical degree and you've still got a box of rocks with Raleigh, North 573 00:55:20,199 --> 00:55:26,079 Carolina written all over him. I think that's amazing. And and really just kind of a, a very 574 00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:31,999 zoomed in picture, but a picture all the same of how great this type of communication is for 575 00:55:31,999 --> 00:55:36,719 drivers that are out there on the road. And what a big change it can make, not only for them, but for 576 00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:43,079 the family waiting back home. Lindsey very much so. It's helping to bridge a communication gap that, 577 00:55:43,679 --> 00:55:49,350 you know, unless you're feeling it actively and and hopefully most of the time we're not because 578 00:55:49,350 --> 00:55:54,709 we're focused on what it is that we're doing at work. But when drivers are gone longer, that's a 579 00:55:54,749 --> 00:55:59,908 long gap in communication and the family is certainly feeling it. And I imagine most drivers 580 00:55:59,909 --> 00:56:04,709 are too. Whether they realize it or not. And so just trying to fill in that gap where possible. 581 00:56:04,709 --> 00:56:08,069 And sometimes it's just the little things like, hey, here's where I'm at, here's where I'm 582 00:56:08,070 --> 00:56:14,668 traveling through. It's these little treasures, both figuratively and literally. In that case. 583 00:56:15,310 --> 00:56:20,030 I've got some rapid fire questions for you here. And the reason that I wanted to do this segment 584 00:56:20,030 --> 00:56:24,749 with you is because it's not often that I get somebody in the room here with me that has as 585 00:56:24,750 --> 00:56:31,229 much experience and as much education and as much drive for the the overall commitment to project 586 00:56:31,229 --> 00:56:36,989 61 that you have and just driver health in general that you have. So let's go through some 587 00:56:36,989 --> 00:56:40,949 rapid fire questions here. I'm going to throw them at you. Give me your best answer off the top of 588 00:56:40,949 --> 00:56:47,949 your head. Uh, first one, what is the biggest health myth in trucking? Oh gosh, 589 00:56:47,950 --> 00:56:54,788 I'm probably going to rattle some people here. But, um, we tend to see these 590 00:56:54,789 --> 00:57:01,429 very common health fads that come up. And it's it's not just trucking, to be fair. It's 591 00:57:01,429 --> 00:57:07,149 across the board. And we've seen this with things like coconut oil. People thought it was just this 592 00:57:07,149 --> 00:57:13,389 miracle thing for a while. And turns out it's mostly saturated fat. Um, the one that I hear a lot 593 00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:20,070 right now is pretty strict keto diets and carnivore diets. And 594 00:57:20,149 --> 00:57:25,989 it's not to say that they can't have benefits. Clearly, people wouldn't do them if they weren't 595 00:57:25,989 --> 00:57:31,908 experiencing benefits, but there's also some significant risks to them, too. And I think it's 596 00:57:31,909 --> 00:57:38,029 important for people to know that. And sometimes the benefits of doing 597 00:57:38,190 --> 00:57:44,909 these pretty severe dietary changes, they can outweigh the short term risk. But long 598 00:57:44,980 --> 00:57:50,738 term we really have to assess those. And in most cases it's not going to weigh out. So that would 599 00:57:50,739 --> 00:57:56,380 probably be the number one. Yeah. Great point there. And listen there's a reason that all of the 600 00:57:56,380 --> 00:58:01,300 people selling you these fads are in their mid 20s in the best shape of their life. And really 601 00:58:01,300 --> 00:58:06,780 pretty people. They wouldn't have to put those people on those videos if these things worked 602 00:58:06,780 --> 00:58:12,459 every time. 100%. There's a little bit of psychology behind it and marketing in the whole 603 00:58:12,460 --> 00:58:18,979 lot. And so, you know, it being 41 years old, I live through the fad diet, uh, you know, kind of the 604 00:58:18,980 --> 00:58:24,379 inception, Atkins and all the rest of that stuff. And while yes, there's some people that saw some 605 00:58:24,379 --> 00:58:29,859 fantastic success through it, uh, you really have to kind of take everything that's being said to 606 00:58:29,859 --> 00:58:34,580 you in a TikTok video with a grain of salt, I guess, is the best way to put it right. Very much 607 00:58:34,580 --> 00:58:41,139 so. Next, what I've got for you. What do you think is the most underrated healthy truck stop snack 608 00:58:41,139 --> 00:58:45,579 we've all seen? All the lines and aisles full of candy and chips and everything like that. But 609 00:58:45,579 --> 00:58:51,379 there are gems in these truck stops. What do you think the best one sitting in there is? Gosh, 610 00:58:51,379 --> 00:58:56,299 that's a hard one. I think if I were trying to come up with something that I feel confident 611 00:58:56,300 --> 00:59:03,179 would be at most every truck stop, it's probably going to be some sort of a trail 612 00:59:03,180 --> 00:59:08,658 mix, another calorie dense. So we have to be realistic about portion sizes, but they're going 613 00:59:08,659 --> 00:59:15,658 to have nuts, which is a great source of healthy fats or unsaturated fats. Most of them are 614 00:59:15,659 --> 00:59:20,980 going to have some sort of dehydrated fruit. And so we've got a little bit of fiber. We've got some 615 00:59:21,139 --> 00:59:26,020 vitamins and minerals that go along with that. And then just me personally, I think the really, really 616 00:59:26,020 --> 00:59:30,980 good ones have a few M&Ms sprinkled in there because sometimes we just need that little bit of 617 00:59:30,980 --> 00:59:37,019 a dopamine kick to keep us going. And there's nothing wrong with a few M&Ms to top off our 618 00:59:37,020 --> 00:59:42,259 snack. I'm okay with that, right? It's if you start farming through and only grabbing the M&Ms, that's 619 00:59:42,260 --> 00:59:48,809 when the problem starts, right? That's exactly it. Uh, biggest mistake you think drivers make with 620 00:59:48,809 --> 00:59:55,689 sleep, Lindsey. Oh, I think I think this goes back to a 621 00:59:56,689 --> 01:00:03,529 common misconception about sleep. So our bodies are really, really good at adapting to 622 01:00:03,569 --> 01:00:09,969 a sleep deficit. Meaning, if we are getting not enough sleep night after night after night, 623 01:00:10,449 --> 01:00:15,009 our brain is really good at tricking us into thinking that we're doing a very good job and 624 01:00:15,009 --> 01:00:21,728 that maybe we're not really that tired. And so I hear often drivers who were talking about 625 01:00:21,770 --> 01:00:27,168 like five hours is their average. They're like, yeah, I feel like that's I'm doing pretty good at 626 01:00:27,169 --> 01:00:32,809 five hours. And in the back of my mind I'm thinking, how much better would you feel at seven 627 01:00:32,809 --> 01:00:38,009 hours? Right, right, right. But you don't know until you're getting that pretty consistently and it 628 01:00:38,009 --> 01:00:44,999 takes some time to Undo some of the the problems that come with a long 629 01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:51,159 term sleep deficit. So one night of seven hours may not do it. It may take a few before they start 630 01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:55,800 to feel those benefits. And so I think it's just the fact that we will and this is all of us, we 631 01:00:55,800 --> 01:01:01,800 will convince ourselves we're doing pretty good on five hours of sleep. And then the cracks start 632 01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:06,599 to show if we really are looking carefully. Boy, they do. Let me tell you guys out there right now, 633 01:01:06,599 --> 01:01:12,519 drivers, you would not want to listen to this podcast if five hours was my norm because I it 634 01:01:12,519 --> 01:01:17,480 really does. I mentioned cobwebs earlier, Lindsey, and that's what it feels like to me is just that 635 01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:23,279 the, the, the headspace that I normally have is dusty. It hasn't been cleaned well enough and I 636 01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:30,039 can't get through it as quickly and as as with as much focus as I normally do. Um, seven hours for 637 01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:34,879 me, uh, up to ten on the weekends if I'm really feeling it, you know. But, uh, let's not start 638 01:01:34,879 --> 01:01:39,159 talking about my weekend habits, because we'll have to have a whole other podcast, uh, to parse 639 01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:45,839 through all those bad habits. But, uh, uh, just one more here. Um, on that sleep note, one 640 01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:52,720 thing that drivers love is coffee, but caffeine in general. Okay. And I shouldn't put that on. Just 641 01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:59,679 drivers. That's everyone. Already had my caffeine today. Uh, so in your opinion, is caffeine a 642 01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:05,479 friend or an enemy of truck drivers, or is it a little bit more nuanced than that? It's as with 643 01:02:05,479 --> 01:02:10,239 all health things, it's a little more nuance. Um, but I'll tell you where the limitations are, where 644 01:02:10,239 --> 01:02:16,159 we can say that it's more good and and maybe less healthy. I don't like to say bad, but less healthy. 645 01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:23,759 So up to 400mg is perfectly safe for the average person. So 646 01:02:23,759 --> 01:02:29,479 that's about four cups of coffee. That's not completely crazy right now. I know there's some 647 01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:35,959 drivers that are going to be going no no no no no. Yeah. How many cups does this 48 ounce mug hold. 648 01:02:35,959 --> 01:02:42,949 Because I'm I'm counting you know. Yeah. So 400mg. Um, we have to 649 01:02:42,989 --> 01:02:47,309 ask a couple of questions of what's going in it. And if we're adding a whole bunch of coffee 650 01:02:47,309 --> 01:02:52,749 creamer, that's a whole separate issue, but definitely some risk there. Yeah, but if we can cut 651 01:02:52,749 --> 01:02:59,479 it off at a reasonable hour, most people take somewhere between about 4 to 8 652 01:02:59,479 --> 01:03:05,749 hours to fully metabolize caffeine. It varies a lot from person to person. It's a genetic thing 653 01:03:05,750 --> 01:03:11,429 that we have no control over. So this is another one of those things where I will hear drivers say, 654 01:03:11,469 --> 01:03:18,269 and this is true of anybody. I sleep just fine after a cup of coffee and we may feel like it. 655 01:03:18,310 --> 01:03:23,350 We absolutely could convince ourselves of that. But it is disrupting our sleep patterns, believe 656 01:03:23,350 --> 01:03:28,229 it or not. So we're not getting as good a quality as what it could be. So if we can be intentional 657 01:03:28,229 --> 01:03:35,149 about cutting it off earlier in the day or six, ideally about six hours before we're going to 658 01:03:35,190 --> 01:03:40,989 sleep, that's picture perfect. And so. And you're still going to have your four cups. Yeah. You're 659 01:03:40,990 --> 01:03:44,669 still going to have your four cups. You just gotta cut it off in the afternoon and turn on the water. 660 01:03:44,669 --> 01:03:51,229 That's all right. Yes. That's exactly it. Yeah. So so I'm not a horrible person. I'm I'm pro caffeine 661 01:03:51,470 --> 01:03:58,109 in moderation within some time limits. Yeah. No, I, I totally understand that I'm not a coffee drinker 662 01:03:58,110 --> 01:04:03,589 for one very specific reason. People say, oh, you don't like the taste? Uh, check the breaks. I don't 663 01:04:03,590 --> 01:04:09,109 like the taste of black coffee. I love the taste of coffee. Once you start putting all the caramels 664 01:04:09,109 --> 01:04:14,149 and the vanilla and all the rest of it in there, too. And that's the problem, right? I can't if I'm 665 01:04:14,150 --> 01:04:19,589 doing that. You know, if it's if it's one little six ounce cup a day, I'm still probably getting 666 01:04:19,630 --> 01:04:23,508 too much sugar and too much fat from all the stuff that I have to put in it to make it 667 01:04:23,509 --> 01:04:29,589 palatable to me. And listen, I don't know that this is a great substitute to make, but for me, I went 668 01:04:29,589 --> 01:04:35,789 to a zero sugar energy drink. It's got a little bit of caffeine in it. I think, you know, 150mg or 669 01:04:35,819 --> 01:04:41,860 so. Uh, cut back the the major caffeine hit that I would get from a big cup of coffee a little bit, 670 01:04:41,860 --> 01:04:46,659 and it tastes good as well, but I'm not overloading myself with sugar. I know that's not 671 01:04:46,659 --> 01:04:51,738 the best decision out there, but it's a better decision for me. And I think that illustrates the 672 01:04:51,739 --> 01:04:56,539 point we're trying to make here. Lindsey. Yep. Always going for a better decision whenever 673 01:04:56,539 --> 01:05:00,939 possible. I'll give you another little trick here, because I'm sure there are drivers thinking, well, 674 01:05:00,939 --> 01:05:07,060 I'm not switching to an energy drink or I don't want to get rid of the coffee, a protein shake in 675 01:05:07,060 --> 01:05:13,139 a coffee, it gets in our flavor, it gets in the sweetness, gets in a little protein too. So we get 676 01:05:13,139 --> 01:05:19,699 the best of all worlds here. Um, but yeah, that's a great way to replace the coffee 677 01:05:19,699 --> 01:05:24,579 creamer. I never thought about that. It's a fantastic trick. And you know, my wife is a gym rat. 678 01:05:24,579 --> 01:05:29,219 And the flavors of some of her protein powder. It's just like, can you just freeze that and scoop 679 01:05:29,219 --> 01:05:34,819 it out for me? Because that tastes like ice cream. Yeah. Um. And, yeah, she's, uh, she's getting that huge, 680 01:05:35,250 --> 01:05:40,369 push of protein every single morning. That's great advice and exactly why we brought you on here. 681 01:05:40,370 --> 01:05:44,649 Again, if you don't ever think about this stuff, if nobody's ever mentioned it to you, it is 682 01:05:44,649 --> 01:05:50,289 completely foreign to you. And that makes these incremental changes kind of tough to do. But 683 01:05:50,290 --> 01:05:57,089 project 61 is there for you. Uh, project-61.org is the website. And 684 01:05:57,089 --> 01:06:01,729 Lindsey, this has been such a fantastic conversation, but I have kept you here for almost 685 01:06:01,729 --> 01:06:08,129 a full hour now. So I want to be respectful of your time and wrap this up. Um, first and foremost, 686 01:06:08,129 --> 01:06:14,769 again, project Dash 61 or go there, check out all the information that's on the website, 687 01:06:14,810 --> 01:06:20,849 download the app and just play with it for a little bit. See what it can do for you in the land 688 01:06:20,849 --> 01:06:26,929 of incremental change. Um, and right here as we start to wrap up, Lindsey, everybody that comes on 689 01:06:26,930 --> 01:06:32,209 always pneumatic, never static with me, uh, gets a chance at a segment I like to call Final Thoughts. 690 01:06:32,209 --> 01:06:37,530 And this segment is for you. Anything that we might have left on the table, we can discuss it 691 01:06:37,530 --> 01:06:42,289 now. Any shoutouts that you want to give? Any other plugs that you want to give for the website or 692 01:06:42,290 --> 01:06:48,369 the app? The point is, the floor is yours and you can take as much time as you need. Lindsey Bryan, 693 01:06:48,370 --> 01:06:54,129 Health and Wellness Manager from project 61. Thank you so much for being here today. Final thoughts 694 01:06:54,129 --> 01:06:59,449 from you here on always pneumatic, never static. Well, thank you so much for having us on and 695 01:06:59,449 --> 01:07:05,089 giving us the space to share what we do, share our mission, share a little information along the way. 696 01:07:05,450 --> 01:07:11,369 Um, I would tell anybody who's listening right now, I think sometimes we get in our head and we will 697 01:07:11,370 --> 01:07:16,849 convince ourselves that things are too hard. That is what I call head trash. And we have to just 698 01:07:16,850 --> 01:07:22,849 pull that out and let it go. Sometimes if you are in a place where you're considering making some 699 01:07:22,849 --> 01:07:28,849 lifestyle changes, you want to get healthier. You're feeling like it's too hard. Join us. Join 700 01:07:28,850 --> 01:07:35,399 the movement. It can be done, I promise you. We have seen people in dark places 701 01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:41,239 sometimes. Who turned it around and are doing great and are feeling healthier and have reduced 702 01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:47,878 their health risks on top of it. So what have you got to lose? Check out the website. 703 01:07:47,919 --> 01:07:54,919 Download the app. Um, you're welcome to email me as well. I will always give out my email address. It's 704 01:07:54,960 --> 01:08:01,639 Lindsey Lindsey at Project 61 org. There you 705 01:08:01,639 --> 01:08:05,679 go. And that's I mean that's a risk you're taking here because you never know how many people are 706 01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:10,879 listening to a podcast. But she's there. She's willing. So reach out, get in touch with Lindsey 707 01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:16,279 and uh, get in touch with project 61 as well. Go take the pledge over there at the website. Or if 708 01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:21,359 you email Lindsey, you can link to it from her email signature. Um, this is available to you. It's 709 01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:27,399 available to all drivers and it is absolutely free. So go over to the website once again, project 710 01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:33,639 Dash 61. Lindsey, you were fantastic. Today we'll be getting you back in here for sure. This has been 711 01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:38,079 awesome, and I know that a lot of truck drivers got a lot of good out of this interview today, so 712 01:08:38,079 --> 01:08:41,799 thank you for being so gracious with your time. Of course. Thank you. 713 01:08:50,879 --> 01:08:57,319 You know, it's not always the most frequent thing on this podcast. When I sit back and I really have 714 01:08:57,319 --> 01:09:03,520 to take a few minutes and think about what we just talked about. This is one of them. And there 715 01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:08,799 are those moments. And the reason I'm calling this out is because I see it as a moment like that, 716 01:09:08,799 --> 01:09:15,719 where something just changed in the air. Something feels different now that we've had that one 717 01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:21,279 hour conversation with Lindsey, Brian, and hats off to her. Thank you so much, Lindsey, for coming on 718 01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:26,799 this show, giving us as much time as you did. Um, you know, I aim for about 45 minutes for these 719 01:09:26,799 --> 01:09:32,990 interviews. You'll notice that they almost all run an hour. Most of that is my fault because I'm a 720 01:09:32,990 --> 01:09:38,229 little bit of a of a chin wagar, if you know what I mean. But I just couldn't get out of that 721 01:09:38,230 --> 01:09:43,109 interview without talking about everything that we wanted to get to, and we did a great job of it. 722 01:09:43,110 --> 01:09:48,789 And listen, even after an hour talking to Lindsey, even after all that great conversation, we still 723 01:09:48,789 --> 01:09:54,949 probably only scratched the surface on what can really be done here and what project 61 is really 724 01:09:54,990 --> 01:10:01,709 aiming to do over the long haul, and that is increase the life expectancy of truck drivers. We 725 01:10:01,709 --> 01:10:07,548 all know you guys, all of us that are what I would consider in the industry, but not drivers or, uh, 726 01:10:07,670 --> 01:10:13,749 you know, trucking industry adjacent. We've all met enough drivers to know that you guys are are just 727 01:10:13,750 --> 01:10:20,269 an amazing, incredible group of people. I said it earlier when we were just welcoming Lindsey in 728 01:10:20,270 --> 01:10:26,669 Salt of the Earth, some of the best groups of people that I've ever met, not just individuals. 729 01:10:26,669 --> 01:10:33,589 I'm talking groups. Eight, ten, 12, 14. People that are in a group chat all day that are 730 01:10:33,709 --> 01:10:39,549 just some of the best people I've ever had the pleasure of getting on the mic with. And it's that 731 01:10:39,549 --> 01:10:44,349 that we all know, all of us that are trucking industry adjacent or work in the industry and not 732 01:10:44,350 --> 01:10:51,109 drivers. It's knowing that about the group of drivers that comprise all 3 million of you in 733 01:10:51,109 --> 01:10:57,469 general, knowing that this is such a good group of people. Are there bad apples? Yeah, in every single 734 01:10:57,509 --> 01:11:04,389 bunch, but there's few fewer of them in this bunch, at least by my experience. And I know 735 01:11:04,390 --> 01:11:10,509 what Lindsey is aiming for and what I was aiming for by doing this episode today is to try to help 736 01:11:10,509 --> 01:11:15,349 anybody that wants to take the help, anybody that's willing to make one incremental change or 737 01:11:15,349 --> 01:11:21,709 two incremental changes and just work on it over and over and over again. You know, this is not a 738 01:11:21,709 --> 01:11:26,229 race that ends. You heard Lindsey say it. These are decisions that we have to turn into habits. And 739 01:11:26,230 --> 01:11:33,220 that's okay. That's not easy, but it's okay. And I really think that today's episode, uh, can be 740 01:11:33,220 --> 01:11:39,778 that that, uh, effective change there. I do believe that deep down in my soul, I wouldn't put so much 741 01:11:39,779 --> 01:11:44,700 effort into making sure that we got Lindsey to talk about all those things that she talked about 742 01:11:44,700 --> 01:11:51,139 if I didn't think it was going to help. So, again, I do want to really drive this point home. I drove 743 01:11:51,139 --> 01:11:55,779 it home in the open. I'm going to drive it home again. If you listen to this episode and you 744 01:11:55,779 --> 01:12:02,539 decided that's it, I'm making a change. I don't care what that change is. You can say I decided to 745 01:12:02,539 --> 01:12:08,939 sleep on my left side instead of flat on my face, and it changed my sleep pattern. I'm happy with 746 01:12:08,939 --> 01:12:14,899 that. I don't care, maybe you're on the 24 regular Pepsis right now, and you're going to start the 747 01:12:14,900 --> 01:12:21,539 baby steps and do one Pepsi Zero Sugar. Pepsi a day doesn't matter. I want to hear the 748 01:12:21,540 --> 01:12:28,209 stories because those are what propagate other drivers to making these decisions that will 749 01:12:28,209 --> 01:12:34,729 inevitably help them live longer, healthier and happier lives. We talk about it all the time on 750 01:12:34,729 --> 01:12:40,409 this podcast. What is the one thing that we always say, almost regardless of what the subject matter 751 01:12:40,410 --> 01:12:47,169 is, we want everyone to get home safely. Why is that? Well, because we want you to live a normal 752 01:12:47,169 --> 01:12:51,769 life. We want you to be able to spend time with your family. We want you to go out and do fun 753 01:12:51,770 --> 01:12:58,249 things and have great experiences, profound experiences. But we want you to have more than 61 754 01:12:58,250 --> 01:13:05,209 years to do that. And I think a lot of people would tell you 61 is way too young, 61 is is 755 01:13:05,209 --> 01:13:10,249 gone too young 100% of the time, especially when the average in the country outside of the 756 01:13:10,250 --> 01:13:16,129 trucking industry is 77 years. Think about what you could do with those extra 16 years and a 757 01:13:16,129 --> 01:13:20,609 little bit of juice still in the knees, right? You could be golfing, you could be fishing. Maybe 758 01:13:20,609 --> 01:13:26,529 you're gonna get back in the race car and see if you can't spin a hot lap. I mean, the opportunities 759 01:13:26,529 --> 01:13:30,370 are endless, but if you really want to bring it home and you really want to feel the gravity of 760 01:13:30,370 --> 01:13:37,249 what we talked about today, go ask your family. Go ask your family when you get home from this, from 761 01:13:37,250 --> 01:13:43,209 this next route you're on. And ask them, hey, if if, if I could give you 16 more years at the end of 762 01:13:43,209 --> 01:13:50,049 my trucking career, would you like that? I mean, I look, I understand, I know what the answer is going 763 01:13:50,049 --> 01:13:56,690 to be. Um, it's it's not hard. I'm not being facetious here. I'm saying it's obvious. 764 01:13:56,729 --> 01:14:03,289 Right. And so that's why we should start to make the changes. I know that I draw on the inspiration 765 01:14:03,290 --> 01:14:08,769 of these types of conversations to make the incremental changes in my own life. I am not the 766 01:14:08,770 --> 01:14:13,889 picture of a 41 year old chiseled out of stone, dude. All right, I'm a little soft around the 767 01:14:13,890 --> 01:14:20,048 middle. I like my sodas and pizza just like anybody else. But if I can get myself one less 768 01:14:20,330 --> 01:14:25,679 soda and sub it out with a glass of water and one less slice of pizza and sub it out with a green 769 01:14:25,679 --> 01:14:31,679 salad. Man, the differences start to add up, just like the 770 01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:38,999 facts have added up against us here. Just like we know this is a sedentary job, it is what it is. 771 01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:44,519 But you guys are crucial to this country. And when you stop to think about the fact that you're the 772 01:14:44,519 --> 01:14:49,399 ones filling all of our fridges and all of our cabinets with all of the food and nutrition and 773 01:14:49,399 --> 01:14:54,959 health products and ointments and everything else that we all use as humans every day, you guys are 774 01:14:54,959 --> 01:15:00,719 the ones putting those on our shelves. Without you guys, we don't have them. So we want you to go 775 01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:06,199 longer than 61, not just to get us our products. That's not what this is about. This is about 776 01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:11,279 getting to spend time with the people that you love and as much time as possible. And I think 777 01:15:11,279 --> 01:15:16,478 that would be the answer if you started to just randomly sample the population and say, how much 778 01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:21,399 time do you want to spend with your loved ones? The answer is typically going to be as much as 779 01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:27,080 possible. Well, we did a lot today. We gave a lot of good information and had a really good 780 01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:32,919 conversation about how we can help maximize that time for every single individual listening to 781 01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:39,879 this show. So again, get on over to our website, podcast.bulktransit.com and 782 01:15:39,879 --> 01:15:46,559 email me. Tell me about the changes that you have made. And maybe before you even do that, head on 783 01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:53,519 over to project 61.org and take a look at some of the free resources they have over there. 784 01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:58,439 Again, the app is free. You can download it right after you stop listening to this. Heck, if you're 785 01:15:58,440 --> 01:16:04,799 not driving. Uh, go ahead and download it while you're listening to this because it will help and 786 01:16:04,799 --> 01:16:11,758 it will affect change. And all the great people at project 61 are very dedicated to that. And hey, 787 01:16:11,839 --> 01:16:18,559 Lindsey gave out her email on this on this episode. I feel for her, uh, because that's a brave 788 01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:23,190 thing to do. You heard me. I'm not giving out my phone number, but she gave out her personal email 789 01:16:23,190 --> 01:16:28,869 and I can vouch for it. That's the one that I set up the interview with. That is her direct email. Uh, 790 01:16:28,870 --> 01:16:34,069 so utilize that if you want to talk to her. If you've got some questions for her, she will help 791 01:16:34,069 --> 01:16:40,789 out. Uh, but there is a ton of resources on their website. Again, for the last time, project 792 01:16:40,790 --> 01:16:47,669 Dash 61. Get over there and check it out. That's going to do it for us today. We want to 793 01:16:47,669 --> 01:16:53,029 hear what this episode did for you. So make sure to reach out. We'll get you on the air, or we'll 794 01:16:53,029 --> 01:16:57,709 just tell everybody what you did. If you don't want to come on the air, that's fine. I got enough 795 01:16:57,709 --> 01:17:03,708 words up in my frontal lobe to last us for a lifetime. So tell me your story, and I will share 796 01:17:03,709 --> 01:17:08,669 it on the show if you don't want to. Come on. There's more ways, uh, to, uh, to to pluck a chicken, 797 01:17:08,670 --> 01:17:13,429 if you will. I've never liked the the adage there's more than one way to skin a cat. Don't 798 01:17:13,430 --> 01:17:17,669 really feel like we should be skinning cats. And when you say cat, you're kind of implying that 799 01:17:17,669 --> 01:17:23,269 we're talking about house cat. You're not like a cougar or a bobcat. Anyway, I digress. There's more 800 01:17:23,269 --> 01:17:28,830 than one way to pluck a chicken, so send me your stories. Let's talk about it. Let's continue this 801 01:17:28,830 --> 01:17:34,869 conversation in the future so that more drivers can live longer than that. Average life expectancy 802 01:17:34,870 --> 01:17:41,068 of 61 years. Thank you so much for being here today on this very special episode of Always 803 01:17:41,069 --> 01:17:46,910 Pneumatic, Never Static. I'm going to say, as always, stay safe out there. But you know what else I'm 804 01:17:46,910 --> 01:17:52,189 going to say? Stay healthy out there, drivers. We'll talk to you next week on an all new episode of 805 01:17:52,190 --> 01:17:57,069 Always Pneumatic, Never Static. Wednesday, 5 a.m. local time. Be good. 806 01:17:59,350 --> 01:18:05,309 And that's all she blows for today's episode of Always Pneumatic, never Static. Your number one and 807 01:18:05,309 --> 01:18:11,229 probably only Pneumatic Trucking podcast, brought to you by Bulk Transit. Thanks for rolling with us 808 01:18:11,229 --> 01:18:16,029 today. Till next time, stay safe, keep those lines clear and keep it pumping.