Why Drive for Bulk? The Inside Look at Joining Bulk Transit

Why Drive for Bulk? The Inside Look at Joining Bulk Transit
Released 10/07/2026
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If you have ever wondered what it actually takes to get hired at Bulk and Spur Transit, what the first few weeks look like, and whether the company is the right fit for where you are in your career right now, Episode 35 of Always Pneumantic, Never Static answers every one of those questions from three different angles. Recruiting and Retention Manager Rachel Dellaposta walks you through the application process from start to finish and tells you exactly what she is looking for and what will get an application moved to the top of the pile. Terminal Manager Kelly Cordova from the Piketon terminal explains how she works to set every new driver up for success from day one and what the best Piketon drivers have in common. And driver and trainer Jeff Linne gives you the view from the seat that has actually been through it. This is a masterclass in what it looks like to join a pneumatic carrier as a fresh CDL grad, an inexperienced driver, or an experienced driver ready for something different. If you have been thinking about making a move, this is the episode you listen to before you make the call. New episodes every Wednesday at podcast.bulktransit.com.

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About This Episode

Marcus Bridges sits down with three people who see the Bulk and Spur recruiting process from three completely different angles. Recruiting and Retention Manager Rachel Dellaposta walks through what the application process actually looks like, what applicants get wrong, and what most drivers assume will disqualify them but actually will not. Terminal Manager Kelly Cordova from the Piketon location explains what it takes to succeed there, how she supports new drivers from day one, and why communication is the foundation of everything she does. Driver Jeff Linne, who set his sights on Bulk before he ever had the experience to get hired, shares 16 years of perspective on what has kept him there and drops a number about the earnings gap between himself and a competitor-employed cousin that stops Marcus mid-sentence. Marcus also announces a $400 Amazon gift card drawing open to any listener who completes episode quizzes at podcast.bulktransit.com.

Episode Highlights

New grads welcome: Bulk and Spur accept applicants straight out of CDL school at both Plain City and Piketon, with a full training program and paid trainers on site.

Why most companies pass on new grads: Insurance requirements and the cost of a six-week paid training period keep many carriers from opening the door. Bulk has flexibility others do not.

Application tips from Rachel: Include only the last ten years of work history and only the last three years of accident and ticket history. If an auto-filled application duplicates an entry, fix it before you submit. Set up your voicemail and check your email.

The hot seat scenarios: Rachel walks through the real questions drivers hesitate to ask, including what happens with a spotty job history, an accident on record, a five-year gap out of the truck, or a previous denial. The answer in most cases is: details matter; call anyway.

Kelly on new grads vs. experienced drivers: Both groups bring something. New grads are teachable. Experienced drivers sometimes need to unlearn habits built at other companies. Which one Kelly would rather hire depends on how much time there is to train.

Jeff on earnings: Jeff has made more money every single year at Bulk for 16 years, whether through rate increases or a percentage-of-load pay structure that rises when freight rates rise. His over-the-road cousin with similar tenure was running 25 to 30 thousand dollars a year less.

The Piketon group text: Kelly started a driver group text so her team can share road conditions, answer each other's questions overnight, and stay connected without waking anyone up unnecessarily.

Not just a number: Kelly manages 15 drivers by name, asks their opinions on loads, and keeps herself available for calls that have nothing to do with dispatch. If a driver needs to vent, she is there for that too.

Jeff recruits his cousin: Jeff spent years telling his over-the-road cousin about the pay difference and finally got him into the process at the Spur terminal in Saginaw. The flexibility to work out a run structure for a driver based closer to the Austin-San Antonio area made it possible.

From The Host

“I wanted to do a recruiting episode that actually helped somebody. Not a commercial, not a talking head telling you the pay is great. I wanted the recruiter, the terminal manager, and the driver all in the same room answering the same questions from three completely different seats. Rachel, Kelly, and Jeff delivered exactly that. If you are sitting on the fence about applying because you think something in your past is going to knock you out before you even get started, you heard what Rachel said. Submit the application and have the conversation. And if Jeff's comment about making more money every single year for 16 straight years did not make you want to pick up the phone, I do not know what will. Also, the $400 Amazon gift card drawing is live. Go take the quizzes at podcast.bulktransit.com. Your name only needs to be in the hat once to win.” — Marcus Bridges, Host

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1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:06,840 There's a frustrating sentence that a lot of brand new CDL holders hear almost immediately 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:13,600 after getting their CDL. Come back when you've got some experience. Okay, but how 3 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:19,239 exactly are you supposed to get experience if nobody will give you the opportunity to earn said 4 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:25,359 experience today on always pneumatic, never static? We're talking about a door that's open right now. 5 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:31,960 Bulk transit is looking for drivers Plain City, Picton and across much more of the company. That 6 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:38,359 includes drivers who are fresh out of CDL school. It's not something you hear every day, but this 7 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:43,919 isn't just an episode about who's hiring. Before you apply anywhere, you ought to know what you're 8 00:00:43,919 --> 00:00:49,400 actually signing up for. What does the job really look like? What does the company actually expect 9 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:54,160 from you? What happens when you're brand new? The trainer is gone. You're standing next to a 10 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:59,130 pneumatic trailer by yourself, and suddenly you're not quite as confident as you thought you were. 11 00:00:59,770 --> 00:01:06,609 And what does a recruiter really see when your application hits their desk? Today, Rachel Dellaposta 12 00:01:06,610 --> 00:01:11,769 is pulling back the curtain on that entire process. The mistakes that can hurt you, the 13 00:01:11,769 --> 00:01:17,290 things you might think disqualify you, that actually don't. And one surprisingly simple 14 00:01:17,290 --> 00:01:23,129 mistake that might explain why that recruiter you replied with never called you back. Then there's 15 00:01:23,129 --> 00:01:28,129 the pilot and terminal manager, Kelly Cordova, who has a pretty straightforward philosophy when a 16 00:01:28,129 --> 00:01:35,009 new driver isn't sure what to do. Call, ask, and don't guess. And 17 00:01:35,010 --> 00:01:41,409 then there's driver Jeff Linne. Jeff was supposed to give us a driver's perspective. Instead, he damn 18 00:01:41,410 --> 00:01:46,889 near took over the recruiting department, and for good reason. He told us why he only wanted to work 19 00:01:46,889 --> 00:01:52,169 for bulk before he ever had the experience to get hired here. Why? He's still here roughly 16 years 20 00:01:52,169 --> 00:01:59,059 later, and why he just helped recruit a member of his own family to the company, and then 21 00:01:59,059 --> 00:02:05,500 he made a statement about earnings over those years that stopped me dead in my tracks. So if 22 00:02:05,540 --> 00:02:11,979 you're happy where you're at, that's great. But if you're looking if you're a new CDL holder 23 00:02:11,979 --> 00:02:18,579 wondering who will give you that first shot. Or if you've been driving for ten, 20, maybe 30 years and 24 00:02:18,580 --> 00:02:23,699 you're starting to wonder whether there's something better out there, you might want to hear 25 00:02:23,699 --> 00:02:29,619 this episode before you fill out your next application. Rachel Dellaposta, Kelly Cordova, 26 00:02:29,619 --> 00:02:34,899 Driver Jeff Linne. Three completely different perspectives on what it takes to get in the door, 27 00:02:34,899 --> 00:02:41,820 and what might make you want to stay once you're here. This is always pneumatic, never static. 28 00:02:41,860 --> 00:02:48,860 Let's roll. You are listening to always pneumatic, never static. The 29 00:02:48,860 --> 00:02:53,979 Totally Pressurized podcast, brought to you by Bulk Transit, where we keep the lines clear, the 30 00:02:53,979 --> 00:02:58,920 tanks empty, and the conversation anything but dried. Whether you're running powder, pellets or 31 00:02:58,920 --> 00:03:03,199 anything in between. Pull up a seat, crack the windows and let's hit it. 32 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:11,120 How's it going out there? Bullock and Spur, welcome into another episode of Always Pneumatic, 33 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:17,360 Never Static. Thank you so much for joining us today. Uh, I am your host, Marcus, as always, and I 34 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:23,880 will remind you that podcast.bulktransit.com is the website. And it's a very important 35 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:30,679 website for you to pay attention to today. Now, today's episode has to do with recruiting. 36 00:03:30,679 --> 00:03:34,640 We've got some open seats here. We're going to bring in three people to give us three different 37 00:03:34,640 --> 00:03:40,720 perspectives on the entire process. We'll have a hot seat. We'll break the format at the end. It's a 38 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:45,399 really exciting episode. And to be honest with you, the interview went long enough that I'm not even 39 00:03:45,399 --> 00:03:50,759 going to give you more than that. If you listen to the cold open and you heard what I just said, you 40 00:03:50,759 --> 00:03:55,769 should already be locked in for this interview segment coming up here in just a few minutes. So 41 00:03:55,809 --> 00:04:00,648 get excited, get pumped. We've got a terminal manager, we've got the recruiting and retention 42 00:04:00,649 --> 00:04:06,728 manager, and we got a driver, and we are going to hit them with questions from all sides of the 43 00:04:06,729 --> 00:04:12,849 recruiting process. Okay, so that's what this episode is about. I don't want to bury the lead 44 00:04:12,849 --> 00:04:18,570 there. I want you guys to know that that's what we're getting into. Because now I've got something 45 00:04:18,570 --> 00:04:25,529 very, very exciting for you. I mean, super exciting for you. I told you the website was important 46 00:04:25,530 --> 00:04:31,329 for today's episode. Why? Well, the website is where you're going to find the quizzes that come with 47 00:04:31,329 --> 00:04:38,209 each episode and podcast sitcom every episodes up there. You can go take those quizzes 48 00:04:38,209 --> 00:04:45,170 anytime you want to. I highly recommend you start taking them right away though. Okay, because we are 49 00:04:45,209 --> 00:04:52,019 already accepting submissions. I guess entries for our prize drawing that will be coming up 50 00:04:52,019 --> 00:04:57,459 here, uh, sometime in a few weeks when we will draw. We're not going to draw right away, because 51 00:04:57,500 --> 00:05:04,339 today's the day that I get to announce to you exactly what the prize is. And I think 52 00:05:04,339 --> 00:05:11,140 that deserves a party horn. Maybe a round of applause, maybe a correct ding. I mean, 53 00:05:11,140 --> 00:05:17,899 it's it's great and it's no joke. You see, I got that button too. But anyway, I digress. I was 54 00:05:17,900 --> 00:05:24,380 pretty pumped the last time we did a giveaway. We gave away two cooling vests to keep you guys cool 55 00:05:24,380 --> 00:05:29,459 in the in the hot summer months, which we're just now getting towards the end of, and we were 56 00:05:29,459 --> 00:05:34,739 putting our heads together thinking, what could we do for our next giveaway that would really move 57 00:05:34,739 --> 00:05:41,339 the needle, have a little bit of a wow factor, kind of shake the foundation, if you will. And uh, wow, 58 00:05:42,420 --> 00:05:47,540 almost lost my voice just thinking about it. We did it. And I can't take credit for this one 59 00:05:47,540 --> 00:05:53,309 because I gotta be honest. This this goes to, uh, the management up at bulk, you know? Brian, Brad, 60 00:05:53,310 --> 00:06:00,230 Andrea, Sean, Tim, Rachel, everybody in there kind of had a little bit to do with this. I'm just 61 00:06:00,230 --> 00:06:05,509 the guy that is lucky enough to get to tell you what it is. And I am shaking in my boots right now 62 00:06:05,510 --> 00:06:11,470 because we've never done anything like this. Uh, especially on this podcast, we've done a giveaway, 63 00:06:11,470 --> 00:06:18,108 but nothing of this magnitude. I've never given away something in my podcasting career with a 64 00:06:18,109 --> 00:06:24,989 dollar value this high. All right, so without further ado, I will tell you that within the next 65 00:06:24,989 --> 00:06:29,749 few weeks, some time you're going to have to stay tuned to the podcast. I'm not going to let you get 66 00:06:29,790 --> 00:06:35,629 off easy and listen to one, and then just skip out on it and hope that you know when it's going to 67 00:06:35,630 --> 00:06:40,429 be. No, no, no, no, no, that's not how we do things. Because when we are giving away something of this 68 00:06:40,430 --> 00:06:46,429 magnitude, we want everybody to have plenty of chances to enter the drawing. And you enter the 69 00:06:46,430 --> 00:06:52,920 drawing by going once again to podcast.bulktransit.com and filling out the quiz. 70 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:57,599 Submitting. It doesn't matter if you get them all right. Doesn't matter if you get them all wrong. 71 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:03,199 You just got your name in the hat for the drawing. That will be for a 72 00:07:03,359 --> 00:07:07,439 $400 Amazon gift card. 73 00:07:14,959 --> 00:07:21,359 I mean, come on people, that's what else could you ask for? As the holidays approach, as Thanksgiving 74 00:07:21,359 --> 00:07:25,439 gets around and all of a sudden you're going, I gotta feed 18 people, where am I going to get all 75 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:29,759 this stuff? Or maybe you're going to win this thing and you're going to sit on it until 76 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:34,599 Christmas comes, and you're going to absolutely blow everybody's heads off their shoulders with 77 00:07:34,599 --> 00:07:41,439 their Christmas gifts this year. It doesn't matter. What we've got for you is a $400 Amazon 78 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:47,779 gift card drawing, and if you want in on it, you have to take the quizzes that come with each show 79 00:07:47,820 --> 00:07:54,499 that are located at podcast.bulktransit.com, so get your submissions in. It's that easy. 80 00:07:54,540 --> 00:08:01,019 Listen to the show and answer a few questions. Bing bang boom. You got a shot at $400 in gift 81 00:08:01,020 --> 00:08:07,779 cards to Amazon. And I don't know about you. If I were to bring my wife home a $400 Amazon gift 82 00:08:07,779 --> 00:08:14,219 card tomorrow, first thing she'd have it spent before we actually realized, like how much it was 83 00:08:14,219 --> 00:08:20,099 worth. Like, I would hand it to her. Poof, it would be gone. But do you know how much great stuff that 84 00:08:20,099 --> 00:08:26,019 would bring me? I mean, she buys all of her tattoo equipment at Amazon because that's where she gets 85 00:08:26,019 --> 00:08:32,539 it the quickest, and that's a business expense for us. I get it. That means that that $400 is going to 86 00:08:32,539 --> 00:08:38,340 be more of a play expense for me, because she just gained $400 of latitude in the business, which 87 00:08:38,340 --> 00:08:45,189 means your boy here and her got $400 worth of fun money. And I can tell you right now, if I didn't 88 00:08:45,189 --> 00:08:50,669 spend at least a half or two thirds of it on Christmas gifts for her, I would be sadly mistaken. 89 00:08:50,710 --> 00:08:55,589 Okay. It would be a misstep by me. And I'm okay with that because that's what this is about. If 90 00:08:55,590 --> 00:09:00,309 you got somebody in your life that you can treat with this money, if you're the person that needs 91 00:09:00,310 --> 00:09:06,229 it, maybe you're in a tight spot and groceries because they're absolutely, outrageously expensive 92 00:09:06,229 --> 00:09:11,590 right now, are really weighing on you. Maybe it's one of those things where you've got a big road 93 00:09:11,630 --> 00:09:17,109 trip coming up and you're thinking, man, gas prices are through the roof right now. It's diesel is 94 00:09:17,109 --> 00:09:23,270 unbelievable. Okay. If you drive a diesel pickup outside of work, you know you're feeling it in the 95 00:09:23,270 --> 00:09:28,229 wallet right now. Well, what happens if you went home with a $400 Amazon gift card? And you can 96 00:09:28,229 --> 00:09:34,749 take that $400 and replace the expense? Okay, now you don't have to take $400 out of your wallet 97 00:09:34,750 --> 00:09:40,629 and give it to Amazon and take $300 out and give it to the gas pump. You got that gift card in hand. 98 00:09:40,630 --> 00:09:46,080 All you got to do is take a quiz and you are entered. And you can continue to enter every 99 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:52,079 single week that we lead up to this giveaway. Once again, if you're listening, going, well, what episode 100 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:57,159 is the giveaway going to happen on? I'm not telling you yet. I will tell you in the future, but 101 00:09:57,159 --> 00:10:01,960 we're slow rolling this thing, so get your submissions in. If you've already done a couple 102 00:10:01,999 --> 00:10:06,840 since we started talking about this a few weeks ago, you're already submitted, but that doesn't 103 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:11,319 mean you have to stop there. Keep taking the quizzes. Keep getting your name in the hat. Trust 104 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:17,999 me, it'll be worth it if you win that $400 Amazon gift card. And I just want to say thanks to 105 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:24,999 a couple of guys here for reaching out to me and saying a few very nice things. Before we get 106 00:10:24,999 --> 00:10:31,520 into our segment with Rachel and Kelly and Jeff, I do have to call Jeff out, and I probably should 107 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,800 have done this when he was on the air, but I had a nice long conversation with him off the air about 108 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:41,569 it. So, uh, he'll understand, I think. But Jeff gave me some really nice compliments on our recent 109 00:10:41,609 --> 00:10:47,089 Trucking Up history episode, and I just thought that was really cool. He called me and he said, I 110 00:10:47,090 --> 00:10:52,649 learned something. You taught me something about my job that I didn't even know in that episode. 111 00:10:52,650 --> 00:10:57,810 And I'll tell you, that gives me a real warm and fuzzy feeling inside. I also want to say, what's up 112 00:10:57,810 --> 00:11:03,009 to Mike short out there, because Mike sent me a message on Facebook, and he also told me that he 113 00:11:03,009 --> 00:11:08,369 learned something, said that that might have been one of the best episodes that we've ever done. Um, 114 00:11:08,369 --> 00:11:14,968 and of course, uh, our equipment episode as well got some really great reviews from you guys, with 115 00:11:14,969 --> 00:11:21,249 Brad coming on to talk equipment with us. Um, and, and being joined also by a driver, which is always 116 00:11:21,249 --> 00:11:26,569 the great perspective that we get here on. Always pneumatic, never static. This episode is already 117 00:11:26,569 --> 00:11:31,929 going to run long. It's already going to be longer than an hour because I talked to Rachel, Kelly and 118 00:11:31,930 --> 00:11:37,390 Jeff for about an hour. So without further ado, now that you know about the giveaway. 119 00:11:39,190 --> 00:11:43,190 By the way, I kind of think that's going to be my giveaway button from here on out, but once again, I 120 00:11:43,190 --> 00:11:48,549 digress. Get ready, strap in. We're going to talk about the recruiting process and we're going to 121 00:11:48,590 --> 00:11:53,469 really dig in deep, get a driver perspective, a terminal manager perspective. And of course Rachel 122 00:11:53,469 --> 00:11:59,029 Dellaposta's perspective, which is ever so important as the recruiting and retention manager. 123 00:11:59,030 --> 00:12:03,509 So if you're a prospective driver listening to this right now, thinking about going to work for 124 00:12:03,510 --> 00:12:07,950 bulk, you found the right episode. Strap in. Here it comes. 125 00:12:15,150 --> 00:12:19,669 All right. Welcome back in here to always pneumatic, never static. We've got our guests in 126 00:12:19,669 --> 00:12:25,189 here for today. And we are going to talk some recruiting. And, uh, it's always essential to have 127 00:12:25,189 --> 00:12:29,509 our first guest here with us today when we talk recruiting. That is the recruiting and retention 128 00:12:29,509 --> 00:12:34,510 manager, Rachel Dellaposta. Rachel, welcome back to the show. Always a pleasure to have you. Always 129 00:12:34,510 --> 00:12:39,799 happy to be here. I can tell. And you and I have some great conversations, and you also have some 130 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:45,159 great conversations with our driver joining us today. You were actually the one that told me, hey, 131 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:50,919 get Jeff Linne on this podcast. He's got a lot to say about this. So welcome, Jeff. Thank you so much 132 00:12:50,919 --> 00:12:56,639 for being here today, my friend. Well, thanks for having me. I appreciate it, of course. And also 133 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:01,759 joining us, we've got the terminal manager from the Picton terminal Kelly Cordova on the line. 134 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:08,359 Kelly, good to have you back as well. Well thank you all for joining today. I know 135 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:13,560 that recruiting is always a puzzle, and you guys are having to put together the pieces all the 136 00:13:13,560 --> 00:13:19,559 time. And this is a really cool, uh, segment. I feel like because we're getting three different 137 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:24,480 perspectives here, we'll get Rachel's. Who's the expert on all of this? We'll find out what it is 138 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:28,799 that Kelly is really looking for right now to fill out Picton, and we'll get a driver's 139 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:33,729 perspective on it from what it's like going through this process and maybe, uh, seeing some 140 00:13:33,729 --> 00:13:39,449 people that have just gone through it, as Jeff does, have some past training experience here with 141 00:13:39,450 --> 00:13:45,849 Bulk and Spurs. So let's jump right in with you, Rachel. I want to start with the big picture. How's 142 00:13:45,849 --> 00:13:49,928 recruiting landscape looking right now? We've had this conversation maybe a couple of months ago, 143 00:13:49,929 --> 00:13:55,049 but I know that this is a real fluid environment. Are you seeing more applications or fewer than 144 00:13:55,049 --> 00:13:59,969 you were the last time we talked? What's it looking like for you? Yeah, we're seeing a lot of 145 00:13:59,969 --> 00:14:04,169 leads and apps right now, and most of our terminals are hiring. It's kind of a weird 146 00:14:04,169 --> 00:14:10,769 landscape in that we are seeing a lot of new drivers, new grads. Um, so that is 147 00:14:10,770 --> 00:14:15,729 something that I think kind of sets us apart a little bit, is that we can take on new grads and 148 00:14:15,729 --> 00:14:21,048 put them in our training program and get them going straight out of school. But it is it is a 149 00:14:21,049 --> 00:14:26,969 little bit different. Competition is tough because everybody's looking for drivers. Um, we're kind of 150 00:14:27,010 --> 00:14:32,899 back to that scenario where, you know, the drivers, even though we get them in process and they're 151 00:14:32,940 --> 00:14:37,459 there, you know, well, on their way to being onboarded, they may still be working with several 152 00:14:37,460 --> 00:14:44,379 other companies as well. So it's tight. And you mentioned the competition last time. Are you 153 00:14:44,379 --> 00:14:48,979 still seeing the same level of competition? It was. We were in a spot last time we had this 154 00:14:48,979 --> 00:14:53,179 conversation where capacity in the industry was kind of tightening. We were seeing a lot of 155 00:14:53,180 --> 00:14:58,619 authorities closed their doors. Some places had loads even sitting in that market, which was kind 156 00:14:58,620 --> 00:15:04,019 of crazy. But things have shifted. Rates have started to go up at this point in time. Do you see 157 00:15:04,060 --> 00:15:09,419 other companies sort of trying to grab Ahold of their new drivers and keep them by all means 158 00:15:09,420 --> 00:15:15,979 necessary, sort of like it was last time? Yeah. Yes. One thing that we are seeing and that I've heard 159 00:15:15,979 --> 00:15:21,179 from other companies as well that they're seeing too, is that, you know, even though people are 160 00:15:21,179 --> 00:15:26,060 moving through our process, even though they get all the way to orientation or they even start 161 00:15:26,060 --> 00:15:29,949 with us, there's still other companies that they've been talking with that they've also been 162 00:15:29,950 --> 00:15:35,469 going through the process with as well. Um, we've had a lot of scenarios where, you know, we have 163 00:15:35,469 --> 00:15:39,029 someone who has gone for a drug screen and they're well on their way, and then they're like, 164 00:15:39,030 --> 00:15:44,429 hey, actually, I got another offer from a job that gets me home every single night. And there may be 165 00:15:44,429 --> 00:15:48,150 looking at one of our terminals that, you know, they have a few overnights throughout the week, so 166 00:15:48,150 --> 00:15:52,349 that just fits better with their lifestyle. And so they go with that one. So that's kind of something 167 00:15:52,350 --> 00:15:57,549 that's come up a lot lately. Highly competitive out there and for good reason. That's how good 168 00:15:57,549 --> 00:16:02,589 drivers find good homes and places that they want to stay is by making sure and going through this 169 00:16:02,590 --> 00:16:08,789 process with a fine tooth comb and exploring all options. Now, a couple options that you're looking 170 00:16:08,790 --> 00:16:15,429 to fill right now would be Plane City and Picton. Right? Right. Rachel. Yeah. And what type of driver 171 00:16:15,430 --> 00:16:20,389 is particularly well suited for Plane City and Picton? Now, Kelly, I know that you've got some 172 00:16:20,430 --> 00:16:24,949 thoughts here. So I am going to go to you about your thoughts on that as well. But first from you, 173 00:16:24,990 --> 00:16:30,649 Rachel, what kind of driver are we looking for here? So both of those terminals are open to new 174 00:16:30,650 --> 00:16:37,529 grads. We've got great trainers at both locations. They also are both looking for drivers who can do 175 00:16:37,530 --> 00:16:43,529 several overnights throughout the week. Perfect. Kelly, uh, what what are some of the challenges 176 00:16:43,530 --> 00:16:49,729 that you see from your seat in trying to keep Piked in at full capacity? Um, obviously it's a 177 00:16:49,729 --> 00:16:56,089 competitive market, we know that. But what are some challenges you face? Uh, it is a competitive market. 178 00:16:56,130 --> 00:17:02,249 Um, we face challenges here, um, because we have a lot of neighboring 179 00:17:02,249 --> 00:17:08,088 businesses that are strictly home daily, you know, gravel hauling 180 00:17:08,530 --> 00:17:15,529 logs, things like that. And we we can't offer that here at Picton because we have so 181 00:17:15,530 --> 00:17:22,409 many different lanes of freight. We go basically all over the United States. 182 00:17:22,409 --> 00:17:29,180 We go north, we go south. We have drivers who come in and especially with like the new grads that 183 00:17:29,180 --> 00:17:34,259 are coming in, we have drivers that come in and and they're ready to go and they want to do this 184 00:17:34,260 --> 00:17:40,259 schedule. And then they get in and they find out that it's a lot. So yeah, a lot of bait and switch 185 00:17:40,260 --> 00:17:44,899 going on out there at large for sure. And that's one of the reasons that we want to have these 186 00:17:44,899 --> 00:17:49,419 episodes is so that you guys can hear it directly from the people that you're going to be talking 187 00:17:49,459 --> 00:17:54,819 to. I asked Rachel when we were setting this episode up, is there anybody else that we can get 188 00:17:54,860 --> 00:17:59,659 on the air here that might provide some insight? Maybe the drivers that are looking for a job 189 00:17:59,660 --> 00:18:04,139 might talk to that person. And Rachel said, listen, if they're going to be calling, they're going to 190 00:18:04,140 --> 00:18:08,779 be searching for a job here. They're going to be talking to me. And so that's why we want Rachel 191 00:18:08,779 --> 00:18:15,699 here. That's why we want Kelly here. Jeff, we want you here for the experience. Um, I do wonder Kelly, 192 00:18:15,740 --> 00:18:22,179 what you see out of your particularly successful drivers out there at Pickton? Every driver that's 193 00:18:22,180 --> 00:18:27,549 looking for a job right now, wants to find a place where they're going to have success. What makes a 194 00:18:27,550 --> 00:18:34,550 driver at Picton successful? So right now I have a fantastic group of drivers. 195 00:18:34,590 --> 00:18:41,389 What makes drivers successful here is understanding that, you know, 196 00:18:41,430 --> 00:18:48,349 our loads change daily. They're not going to be in the same place. They can adapt well to change. 197 00:18:48,390 --> 00:18:55,269 They're willing to, you know, sometimes go the extra mile to be able to complete something. And 198 00:18:55,269 --> 00:19:02,069 then we, you know, we have load cancellations and and add ons and things like that. And they're 199 00:19:02,069 --> 00:19:08,948 able to adapt to those changes more easily than those drivers who are home 200 00:19:08,949 --> 00:19:15,869 on a daily basis. Very. The drivers here seem to be very safety oriented. 201 00:19:16,229 --> 00:19:23,040 Communication is a big thing here. Um, drivers will call. I will call drivers, you know. We make 202 00:19:23,079 --> 00:19:29,039 sure that we stay in contact with each other. So I know the needs of the driver and I can get those 203 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:35,279 things for them or whatever they're needing accomplished. I can help in that process. 204 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:42,720 Typically that's that's what I'm seeing with the successful drivers. That's great. That's 205 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,959 great. And I've got one more question for you here before. We're going to get a little bit of Jeff's 206 00:19:46,959 --> 00:19:52,280 perspective Kelly. And that is how important as we talk to Jeff here in a moment who's got some 207 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:58,479 training experience. How important is this robust training environment that you guys have when 208 00:19:58,479 --> 00:20:03,759 we're talking about accepting new grads, people right out of CDL school, you could be talking to 209 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:09,199 somebody that maybe has never even stood next to a pneumatic trailer before. So talk to me about 210 00:20:09,199 --> 00:20:15,520 the crucial nature of the training that's going on out there in Pickton and at bulk at large. 211 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:22,209 Training for new grads, especially in this part of trucking is extremely 212 00:20:22,209 --> 00:20:28,889 important. We do not want them going out there being unsafe. We want them coming 213 00:20:28,890 --> 00:20:35,489 back in the same condition that we sent them out in. They need to know the dangers 214 00:20:35,489 --> 00:20:42,129 of, you know, trucking so they understand what to look for, the dangers with unloading and 215 00:20:42,130 --> 00:20:49,129 understanding our trailer and our unloading process so they know how to function on their 216 00:20:49,129 --> 00:20:54,889 own without their trainer, and still continue to be safe and come home to their family. Right, right. 217 00:20:54,969 --> 00:21:00,129 That's what we want out of everybody's career here at bulk is safe and home to the family and 218 00:21:00,129 --> 00:21:04,969 everybody else out there on the road as well. Let's not forget that. Uh, Jeff, we're going to come 219 00:21:04,969 --> 00:21:10,129 to you here, uh, before I talk to you about sort of some of your training experience and what that 220 00:21:10,129 --> 00:21:15,689 might look like for anybody that's listening to this as a prospective applicant at Bulk or Spur. 221 00:21:16,009 --> 00:21:21,069 Uh, take me back to the beginning, Jeff. When you were looking for a job, what made books stand out 222 00:21:21,069 --> 00:21:27,629 to you? Well, that's real simple. It's 15 minutes from my house and it was going to get me 223 00:21:27,630 --> 00:21:33,670 home a whole lot more. The dynamics have changed so much since I've been when I first came on 224 00:21:33,670 --> 00:21:40,509 board, uh, when I first came on board, it was predominantly a a home every night 225 00:21:41,029 --> 00:21:46,780 type of thing. And I was getting I was coming off the road and I was actually, uh, taking about a 3 226 00:21:46,780 --> 00:21:53,669 to $400 a week pay cut, but I didn't care. I wanted to be home more. But, uh, as 227 00:21:53,670 --> 00:22:00,510 time has went on, lanes have changed. Uh, we've we've gotten more of the, 228 00:22:00,550 --> 00:22:07,108 uh, steady freight year round. Uh, we when I first came on board, it was a lot of seasonal stuff 229 00:22:07,109 --> 00:22:13,748 from about the end of February up to about the end of October. Hauling the lime and cement 230 00:22:13,790 --> 00:22:20,319 is really busy during that time frame. So the winter. Winter months was really. Rough when I 231 00:22:20,319 --> 00:22:26,639 first got hired on. And, uh, we'd have some of the senior guys would actually take a 232 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:33,040 temporary lay off or something for the younger guys to get some, uh, freight to stay, you know, to 233 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:39,879 stay afloat. But that's all changed. I mean, we we got steady freight. Probably at this point in time, 234 00:22:39,879 --> 00:22:46,519 we probably got more freight, uh, than what? We have drivers to handle it in certain cases. 235 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:52,359 But, you know, the thing about this particular industry, and I think I talked to you about this, 236 00:22:52,959 --> 00:22:59,559 uh, the other day, uh, maybe somebody else. Well, when you come into this industry, you gotta 237 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:05,879 understand that the only thing that is consistent about it is inconsistency. 238 00:23:06,639 --> 00:23:12,759 It's ever changing, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. You're adapting just like, uh, Kelly just said a little 239 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:19,209 while ago. I mean, she's my terminal manager. I work out a fight and trade changes, uh, 240 00:23:19,810 --> 00:23:26,729 daily, hourly, you know? So anytime when I was training, when 241 00:23:26,729 --> 00:23:32,728 I get a newbie, I tried to explain that to him. Like, there's don't don't expect to leave at 5:00 242 00:23:32,729 --> 00:23:37,369 in the morning and be home at three in the afternoon, every single day, Monday through Friday. 243 00:23:37,370 --> 00:23:42,650 It's never going to happen. Yeah. And that adaptation is so important to be able to be 244 00:23:42,650 --> 00:23:49,089 successful here, isn't it? Yeah. You have to have the you got to be, uh, very, um, 245 00:23:49,969 --> 00:23:55,249 you gotta adapt to your to the circumstances. Exactly. That's that's I don't I mean, for lack of 246 00:23:55,249 --> 00:24:02,209 a better word, adaptation is is really key. It can be frustrating. It really can. 247 00:24:02,250 --> 00:24:09,169 And, um, and I and I can understand it because it was it was real bad whenever I had kids at 248 00:24:09,170 --> 00:24:14,779 home. But they're all grown and gone. And so it's not so bad. But, uh, 249 00:24:15,819 --> 00:24:22,659 also, uh, our freight has went into the weekends on a lot of a lot of things. And, uh, back in the day, 250 00:24:22,659 --> 00:24:27,018 we didn't even have that. Like, if we, we get recruited to fight, then it was home every night 251 00:24:27,019 --> 00:24:33,979 and weekends home. And but it's nothing like that anymore. It's pretty much open all week long. 252 00:24:34,339 --> 00:24:41,180 Sure. And and, uh. There's there's miles to be have. Right. Exactly. And I'm going to 253 00:24:41,180 --> 00:24:47,659 tell you, most people coming out of school didn't have an opportunity to come to a company like 254 00:24:47,660 --> 00:24:52,819 this in the past, because they would never take anybody straight out of school because of all of 255 00:24:52,819 --> 00:24:59,699 the the nuance of the trailer, learning how to drive all of that. Right. So usually you would have 256 00:24:59,699 --> 00:25:06,458 to get a year or two experience over the road. And then coming here was like having vacation. 257 00:25:06,459 --> 00:25:12,598 Anyway, even if you did stay out Monday through Friday. You know what I mean? So. Absolutely. Um, but 258 00:25:12,599 --> 00:25:17,599 now that they have the ability to come out of school to something like this, it's a whole 259 00:25:17,599 --> 00:25:24,359 different, uh, scenario. It's really. They don't understand that over the road, when 260 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:29,839 we're out three days or a week, that's not truly, really what we would consider over the road in 261 00:25:29,839 --> 00:25:35,159 the trucking industry. All drivers, when they say over the road, you're going to want what I was out 262 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:40,719 of about three to 3 to 4 weeks at a time. When I first started driving in the trucking industry, I 263 00:25:40,719 --> 00:25:46,959 might have got home once a month, something like that for the first, uh, 6 or 7 months. And then it 264 00:25:46,959 --> 00:25:52,800 was I got home every weekend only for a 34 hour restart. I mean, I know plenty of drivers, Jeff, that 265 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:57,920 I I've got one with another fleet that I work with. Uh, it's not he doesn't drive for bulk, but I 266 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:03,439 know of one driver who goes home twice a year. That's that's it. Can get that crazy when you're 267 00:26:03,439 --> 00:26:08,170 talking about over the road stuff. And and that is kind of a little bit different than what we're 268 00:26:08,170 --> 00:26:13,809 dealing with here at bulk. Of course, I don't hear those stories coming from you guys as much, but 269 00:26:13,810 --> 00:26:19,129 there's some wild over the road stories out there and some guys I mean, I also know of a guy who 270 00:26:19,169 --> 00:26:26,050 does not have a house. His his truck is his house. He has a P.O. box and he's kind of a he's got the 271 00:26:26,089 --> 00:26:30,369 wanderlust bug. He wants to go see the country and he's going to stick around in those places. And 272 00:26:30,369 --> 00:26:36,929 and there's opportunity out there for all different types of drivers. Right. And, um, you you 273 00:26:36,930 --> 00:26:40,809 mentioned something there, Jeff, that I want to I want to switch over and, and get some perspective 274 00:26:40,810 --> 00:26:47,409 from Rachel here because the new CDL holder thing is, I think a very big part of this conversation 275 00:26:47,410 --> 00:26:53,608 that we're having, Rachel, because as Jeff said, it's not every day that a pneumatic company is 276 00:26:53,609 --> 00:26:59,730 going to take new drivers, uh, fresh out of school. So. Right. Why are so many trucking companies 277 00:26:59,730 --> 00:27:06,499 reluctant to hire recent CDL grads? And what was behind the decision of bulk deciding to go 278 00:27:06,499 --> 00:27:13,219 ahead and open up the doors to these guys. A big reason is insurance companies have to do what 279 00:27:13,219 --> 00:27:19,659 their insurance companies say. Yep. So that is a big thing. But that is something that we we do 280 00:27:19,660 --> 00:27:24,659 have a little bit of flexibility on being able to say, hey, we want to be able to bring on new grads 281 00:27:24,660 --> 00:27:30,939 and put them through a training program. The other consideration is it costs a lot of money to train 282 00:27:30,939 --> 00:27:37,699 a new grad. Uh, so it costs a lot of money to hire drivers in general, but then to put them 283 00:27:37,699 --> 00:27:43,619 through, you know, a six week program where they're not bringing in revenue for the company, but 284 00:27:43,619 --> 00:27:50,540 you're still paying them and you're also paying your trainer extra to train them. It adds up 285 00:27:50,540 --> 00:27:57,259 pretty quick. Yeah, I can imagine. So, um, are there any special requirements that maybe, uh, 286 00:27:57,259 --> 00:28:02,299 new CDL grad may or may not have, depending on which school that they went to? Rachel, that bulk 287 00:28:02,300 --> 00:28:07,149 is going to look for specifically that might be different from another company that will hire a 288 00:28:07,149 --> 00:28:14,029 new grad. So we do look at background. If you come from an industry that aligns well 289 00:28:14,030 --> 00:28:18,229 with what we do. Like if you have a construction background, that kind of puts you ahead of the 290 00:28:18,229 --> 00:28:24,149 game a little bit. Got it, I like that. Uh, Kelly, I'm going to come to you here a little bit because I 291 00:28:24,150 --> 00:28:30,389 think about your role in this whole thing. If you do get a new CDL grad right out of school, your 292 00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:35,508 role is sort of going to be along with the training and safety and everything like that, sort 293 00:28:35,509 --> 00:28:40,709 of turning this rookie into a professional. From your perspective, what are the biggest differences 294 00:28:40,709 --> 00:28:46,469 between working with a new grad and somebody that say, has 15 years of experience, but it's in 295 00:28:46,469 --> 00:28:53,388 flatbed or reefer or something like that? So when you have a new grad, it's 296 00:28:53,389 --> 00:29:00,069 really important to be there for them. Stay in contact, let them know that everything is going to 297 00:29:00,069 --> 00:29:06,559 be okay. Because they're stepping into an industry that's not like anything else. And 298 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:13,599 their brand new, they get frustrated. They get, you know, some of them get scared and and they're 299 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:20,239 worried and they they literally don't know how to approach 300 00:29:21,679 --> 00:29:28,559 this type of industry. Mhm. They hear all the dangers and that kind 301 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:33,719 of scares them a little bit. So then you got to reel them back in. But the one thing that we like 302 00:29:33,719 --> 00:29:40,559 to do with new grads is we have training packets. We make sure we go over everything with 303 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:47,560 them in training after they are done with training. We bring them in the office. I go 304 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:54,000 over a lot of stuff with them here in the office. We never want to 305 00:29:54,479 --> 00:30:01,139 turn a new grad out into the trucking world until they are 306 00:30:01,140 --> 00:30:06,978 absolutely comfortable. If we send someone out that is not comfortable, they're either going to 307 00:30:07,020 --> 00:30:13,260 quit or they're going to get themselves or someone else hurt. So we want them to be sure that 308 00:30:13,260 --> 00:30:20,138 they we want them to be confident that they can go out and function just the same as 309 00:30:20,139 --> 00:30:26,259 they did while they were with the trainer. Sure, sure. Uh, what what sort of mistakes do you sort of 310 00:30:26,300 --> 00:30:32,019 expect a fresh CDL grad to make? And what kind of mistakes are you hoping maybe that they're not 311 00:30:32,019 --> 00:30:36,660 making within those first couple of weeks? I know it's different for everybody, but I would expect 312 00:30:36,660 --> 00:30:42,859 maybe you see a little bit of a pattern, uh, at this point in time. Kelly. So a lot of times with 313 00:30:42,860 --> 00:30:49,859 the new grads and sometimes even with the with new drivers coming in that have experience, we 314 00:30:50,219 --> 00:30:55,459 we see them filling out paperwork wrong or doing their messages on the Qualcomm wrong. And those 315 00:30:55,459 --> 00:31:02,229 are all teachable things. I stress to my new drivers. If there's a 316 00:31:02,230 --> 00:31:09,029 question, call me. I would rather you call me and ask me a question than to go 317 00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:15,989 ahead and make your decision and screw up. Sure. That's great. I don't want them in that position, 318 00:31:16,190 --> 00:31:23,068 so I make myself available to them pretty much at all times. They also have their driver 319 00:31:23,069 --> 00:31:30,068 or their trainer to be able to call and ask questions to as well. And Jeff being a driver out 320 00:31:30,069 --> 00:31:35,389 of Pike, and maybe you can speak to Kelly's kind of open door policy a little bit there. I'm sure 321 00:31:35,390 --> 00:31:40,269 as a, as a newer driver, that's got to feel really good because, you know, you've got your trainer, of 322 00:31:40,269 --> 00:31:43,709 course, you know, you've got your, you know, your safety director and your safety teams and 323 00:31:43,710 --> 00:31:48,589 everything like that. But you've also got your terminal manager that's got your back. How's that 324 00:31:48,589 --> 00:31:55,519 make a driver feel supported out there on the road? Jeff? Um, it's awesome to have the support. I 325 00:31:55,520 --> 00:32:02,519 mean, I think, uh, having the open door, open phone, however, you want to look at 326 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:07,998 a policy where you can kind of call it is is awesome to have because you don't want to come 327 00:32:07,999 --> 00:32:14,199 into an industry and feel like that. You're just out there all alone. I'm just going to tell you 328 00:32:14,239 --> 00:32:21,199 like this. There's not one driver that I'm going to say it probably company wide, because 329 00:32:21,199 --> 00:32:26,958 I know I back when I've had drivers that I've trained that was with Pike, then that would call 330 00:32:26,959 --> 00:32:32,319 and talk to drivers, went and filled in at another terminal and got to know some of them. There's not 331 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:38,279 one driver that you can't call and get some kind of information from. Sure. That's, that's that's 332 00:32:38,279 --> 00:32:44,879 across the board. I mean, I, I have done loads out of foster and there's a couple of guys that if 333 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:50,319 I'm doing something I'm not familiar with. I call them up and say, hey, give me a little bit of a 334 00:32:50,319 --> 00:32:55,849 load down on this particular load or whatever. And that's the way it is with newbies. Like they can 335 00:32:55,849 --> 00:33:02,609 call anybody, I would say anytime, but till they get some of them calls in the middle of the night 336 00:33:02,610 --> 00:33:09,009 that are just a little bit. Probably could wait until business hours. But they they do tend to go 337 00:33:09,010 --> 00:33:15,770 a little crazy sometimes, but for but for real. The open phone policy 338 00:33:15,770 --> 00:33:22,449 is is is there? They should never feel uncomfortable to ask anybody for help. 339 00:33:22,489 --> 00:33:29,009 Like we help out with all different terminals. Yeah. So if you got a, you got a newbie going and 340 00:33:29,009 --> 00:33:35,329 helping out at Xenia or whatever. I promise you, one of the Xenia drivers or Fairborn or 341 00:33:35,329 --> 00:33:41,209 whoever, if they're there and the newbies looking lost and they got a question, they will help them. 342 00:33:41,209 --> 00:33:46,209 It's always been that way. And honestly, it ends up you end up finding out you probably could 343 00:33:46,250 --> 00:33:51,859 befriend people. You know what I mean? Absolutely. I've, I've I've got different people from 344 00:33:51,859 --> 00:33:58,459 different terminals that I can call and talk to because I went there and worked, uh, done a load or 345 00:33:58,460 --> 00:34:04,059 whatever for them and I, they the terminal manager. Hey, call this particular person. He'll give you 346 00:34:04,060 --> 00:34:09,699 the particulars about this load, how you know who, when to pick it up, when to deliver it, who to get 347 00:34:09,700 --> 00:34:14,659 in contact with, that kind of stuff. It's it's company wide and that's the one that's the to me 348 00:34:14,659 --> 00:34:19,138 that's what I like about it. Of course, I love the fact that because you go to these other companies 349 00:34:19,139 --> 00:34:25,418 where you're just a number. Good luck. Good luck. Kelly, did you have some thoughts to add there? I 350 00:34:25,419 --> 00:34:29,779 saw you turned your mic back on. I want to make sure and give you a shot to respond there to what 351 00:34:29,820 --> 00:34:35,620 Jeff was saying if you want to. One of the things that I started when I took over here as terminal 352 00:34:35,620 --> 00:34:42,459 manager is we have a group text, and that because I do get busy and I do have to sleep 353 00:34:42,740 --> 00:34:49,599 at night. Huh. So I, I created a group text for the drivers to be able to 354 00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:55,120 ask each other questions in the group text instead of calling. That way they're not waking 355 00:34:55,120 --> 00:35:00,479 everybody up in the middle of the night, or they can reach somebody at some point in time on that 356 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:07,279 text that's awake. So that's a that. That kind of gives them an avenue to be able to 357 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:13,999 help each other, to be a team and to be able to communicate like some of our drivers will get on 358 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,999 there and they'll be like, hey, this road shut down. Make sure you're planning something else. You know, 359 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:25,799 you need to go around this section of I-74 or whatever it is, and it's it's actually became a 360 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:32,759 really nice tool to be able to communicate between drivers. It sounds like it. I 361 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,839 look, I love a good group text, I'll tell you that much right now. I've got probably seven active 362 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:43,879 ones on my phone right now, another 3 or 4 on Facebook Messenger, and God knows how many email 363 00:35:43,879 --> 00:35:49,289 chains that are basically like a group text message. Um, and it really is a good way to 364 00:35:49,330 --> 00:35:53,729 communicate all hours of the day. Right. And everybody's trying to fill their role and do 365 00:35:53,730 --> 00:35:59,249 their thing, do their part here. And sometimes we need help. That's just all there is to it. And I've 366 00:35:59,250 --> 00:36:04,168 learned on this podcast through talking to so many drivers. This is a very collaborative work 367 00:36:04,169 --> 00:36:08,609 environment for you guys out there. You'll constantly be jumping back and forth between 368 00:36:08,610 --> 00:36:13,768 terminals to help. You're always willing to answer the phone and answer questions, and I think that's 369 00:36:13,769 --> 00:36:19,129 kind of where, you know, hiring a guy fresh out of CDL school, he doesn't have to be as intimidated 370 00:36:19,129 --> 00:36:24,610 as he was if he was going to one of these mega carriers where it's every man for themselves. Um, 371 00:36:24,610 --> 00:36:30,769 this is going to be an environment that's going to, uh, train you. Well, uh, make sure you're safe and 372 00:36:30,769 --> 00:36:35,729 not put you out on the road before you're absolutely 100% ready. Like Kelly said a few 373 00:36:35,730 --> 00:36:41,449 minutes ago. Uh, quick question for both you, Rachel and Kelly that I want you to just sort of go back 374 00:36:41,449 --> 00:36:46,579 and forth with for me here, uh, because I think maybe you'll have different answers given your 375 00:36:46,580 --> 00:36:52,419 perspective. So. Would you rather hire Rachel, somebody with 20 years of experience who's very 376 00:36:52,419 --> 00:36:58,779 set in their ways? Or would you rather hire somebody fresh out of CDL school who's got zero 377 00:36:58,780 --> 00:37:05,739 experience but is very eager to learn? I feel like my answer on this is going to vary 378 00:37:05,780 --> 00:37:10,860 depending on what's going on in the market at the moment. I would rather hire the new grad. I feel 379 00:37:10,860 --> 00:37:16,620 like we have had good success hiring new grads and getting them trained and showing them, you 380 00:37:16,620 --> 00:37:22,580 know, how we do things. Um, occasionally you can have people who have been in the industry for a 381 00:37:22,580 --> 00:37:29,500 while and they know it all, and they don't want to change that. Yeah. Kelly, any thoughts there? So 382 00:37:29,539 --> 00:37:36,179 there are challenges with both groups. The new grads are very teachable. 383 00:37:37,139 --> 00:37:43,548 The ones that are set in their ways are very hard to untrained Mhm. To 384 00:37:43,549 --> 00:37:50,509 train. Train according to our policies. Sure. Both present 385 00:37:50,510 --> 00:37:57,270 with lots of pros. Um, they both sets come with lots of benefits 386 00:37:57,350 --> 00:38:04,189 to bulk transit to our team. I think it it would just depend on 387 00:38:05,029 --> 00:38:10,948 what the circumstances were and what our needs were at the time. Do we have time to take six 388 00:38:10,949 --> 00:38:15,510 weeks to train the driver, or do we need to bring someone in that maybe knows what they're doing, 389 00:38:16,070 --> 00:38:22,949 that we're going to try to navigate those challenges? Of everything 390 00:38:22,949 --> 00:38:29,149 they've learned in the past. I'm I'm not saying their ways were wrong. Our ways are right. You know, 391 00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:35,989 it's just this it's bulk transit policy. And we want to train them according to those policies. 392 00:38:36,029 --> 00:38:42,090 And so it's kind of hard to break. Yeah, I get that. It's hard to teach an old dog new tricks. I know 393 00:38:42,090 --> 00:38:48,128 that for sure. Uh, Jeff, I'll go ahead and throw this out. Marcus, I got a perspective on that. I 394 00:38:48,129 --> 00:38:53,049 know you didn't put me in there, but I got a perspective on that. Please. And a lot of it. I'm 395 00:38:53,050 --> 00:38:57,049 glad Rachel said what you said, because that was the first thing that come through my mind was. 396 00:38:57,409 --> 00:39:04,249 It's, um, I've been in certain situations throughout my different history of work and stuff, 397 00:39:04,249 --> 00:39:10,928 and I've been I had a boss tell me one time he would prefer to bring in somebody new and 398 00:39:10,929 --> 00:39:17,049 role eager to learn, than bring in somebody that's got all the experience under the world, knows 399 00:39:17,049 --> 00:39:22,808 everything, and they got a certain way of doing things. Because what his match up with the way 400 00:39:23,010 --> 00:39:29,769 this particular job requires it to be done. So you get a new person and you 401 00:39:29,770 --> 00:39:35,969 teach them exactly how you want the job to be done. And it's so much easier than trying to teach 402 00:39:36,009 --> 00:39:41,980 like the old, old dog new tricks kind of thing. Sure, but I also when it comes to the perspective 403 00:39:41,980 --> 00:39:48,859 of driving the person. That's got a lot of years of experience, 404 00:39:48,860 --> 00:39:53,619 especially if they've got a lot of years of experience in there, loyal, they're probably 405 00:39:53,620 --> 00:39:59,419 looking for a company that gets them off the road and it's going to be their retirement place. Mhm. 406 00:40:00,180 --> 00:40:05,138 The new person and I don't Rachel probably has these numbers I don't know maybe she don't. But I 407 00:40:05,139 --> 00:40:11,819 know uh in my experience in my 20 some years of driving a new 408 00:40:11,820 --> 00:40:18,179 person, there's a ton of money that's put out on them. They never stay with their first 409 00:40:18,179 --> 00:40:23,819 company. The drivers go from they. That's it's probably I think if I read it correctly, it's 410 00:40:23,820 --> 00:40:30,099 about 5 to 6 companies they will be with in their lifetime of driving. Wow. They never stay with the 411 00:40:30,100 --> 00:40:35,099 very first company that they get hired on with. And that's a huge expense that they got to think 412 00:40:35,100 --> 00:40:40,869 about when they take on these people, these young. Well, they don't have to be young. Some of them are 413 00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:45,669 older, just getting their license. But those are the things that need to be thought of. Yeah. Really 414 00:40:45,669 --> 00:40:49,949 good point. Rachel, I see you there kind of nodding your head as Jeff was talking through that. Uh, 415 00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:54,549 what what is your experience tell you about, uh, drivers coming to their first company and 416 00:40:54,550 --> 00:41:00,590 sticking around? Yeah, I definitely agree with, uh, what Jeff is saying there. It's easy to look at 417 00:41:00,590 --> 00:41:04,908 someone's application when they've been with a company for ten years, and they've got zero 418 00:41:04,909 --> 00:41:09,309 accidents and zero tickets and know that they're going to come on board. They're probably going to 419 00:41:09,350 --> 00:41:14,949 stay with us for a while. They're probably going to be a safe driver. And that is a huge benefit. So 420 00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:19,909 that's kind of why I said in the beginning, you know, my answer right now was, you know, I like the 421 00:41:19,909 --> 00:41:26,110 new grads, but ask me in a month and I'll probably change my answer. Right, right. Well, that takes us 422 00:41:26,110 --> 00:41:31,149 perfectly into, uh, where I'm gonna break the format here a little bit. We keep things very 423 00:41:31,149 --> 00:41:36,439 conversational. Um, and I love that because I feel like that's how we get to dig just a few layers 424 00:41:36,439 --> 00:41:41,639 deeper than if I was just approaching this like a typical talking head on the news or something 425 00:41:41,639 --> 00:41:48,159 like that. But Rachel, you told me in an email you could teach a masterclass on on the application 426 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:52,759 process here at Bulk and Spur, and I'm going to give you the opportunity to do that. I've got some 427 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:57,719 bullet points here that I just want you to kind of help me walk through the process. Where should 428 00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:03,359 somebody go right now that's listening to this podcast to find the positions available currently 429 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:09,359 at Bulk or Spur. If you just head to our website, there is a link right at the top where you can 430 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:15,600 apply, submit your application and then I'll give you a call from there. Simple as that. Bulk transit 431 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:20,240 comm. Go over there and check it out. What information should an applicant have ready before 432 00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:25,478 sitting down to complete the application? Or, you know, taking the call from you? That's inevitably 433 00:42:25,479 --> 00:42:32,319 going to come afterwards. Basic things like your previous work history, um, you're going to want to 434 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:38,649 put, you know, the past ten years on your app, any information on previous tickets, accidents, things 435 00:42:38,649 --> 00:42:42,689 like that are all going to go on the application? Um, pretty standard things that you would 436 00:42:42,689 --> 00:42:49,489 automatically think of. If you don't have exact dates, make an educated guess and we can 437 00:42:49,490 --> 00:42:54,609 always edit it later. Okay, that's a good one because I know, uh, from filling out job 438 00:42:54,610 --> 00:42:58,729 applications in the past, and you're sitting there looking at your thing and you're going, I don't 439 00:42:58,729 --> 00:43:03,409 remember when I quit that job, or I don't remember the date that I started that job. It's better to 440 00:43:03,409 --> 00:43:07,969 make an educated guess because it can be edited later. I think that's a really good info there. And 441 00:43:07,969 --> 00:43:14,169 being upfront and honest with things is great. You know, we obviously don't want people to lie on 442 00:43:14,169 --> 00:43:19,408 their application, but if you put something on there and then when I call you, you're like, hey, I 443 00:43:19,409 --> 00:43:24,850 wasn't exactly sure about this, but I put it on there. Uh, you know, my dates may be wrong. I may be 444 00:43:24,889 --> 00:43:29,649 off by this or whatever. That's that's fine. I don't consider that lying on your application. 445 00:43:29,690 --> 00:43:34,309 Gotcha. And, you know, I've had some other, uh, recruiting and retention managers tell me over 446 00:43:34,310 --> 00:43:40,349 the years that I've been doing this job, Rachel, that they want the open and honest version of 447 00:43:40,350 --> 00:43:45,829 every applicant that comes through. But also, you have to remember that you're protecting yourself 448 00:43:45,830 --> 00:43:50,830 here and you're protecting your career here. So there is a line to be drawn where it comes to 449 00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:55,829 that. Being wide open with everything is there, not there is. And I'm glad that you brought that up. 450 00:43:55,830 --> 00:44:01,869 One thing that I see that, um, you know, you just you need to use a little bit of common sense when 451 00:44:01,870 --> 00:44:08,269 you're filling out the application. The application is going to ask you for your accident 452 00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:14,709 history and information on tickets for the past three years. If you've got an accident that is ten 453 00:44:14,709 --> 00:44:20,629 years old, you don't need to put that on your application because that is, you know, more. Even 454 00:44:20,629 --> 00:44:24,708 though it's ten years ago, it's still on there. We still see it. That may still kind of trigger red 455 00:44:24,709 --> 00:44:30,319 flag. If you've got something else that is a little more recent or, you know, if someone is just 456 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:36,079 looking through your application quickly and that's on their, uh, and, you know, they're debating 457 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:42,279 whether they call you or someone else, even though you're technically qualified. Um, the other person 458 00:44:42,279 --> 00:44:46,439 may kind of get the edge because they've got nothing on there. There you go. And sometimes 459 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:51,119 you're dealing with a lot of applications. The volume can tick up really big, especially when 460 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:56,719 you're trying to fill positions. So that's something to think about. And just remember I when 461 00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:01,279 we all learned this back in grade school. But it's hard to keep remembering. This is something that 462 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:08,159 my my fourth grade teacher, Mr. Crane, drilled into me read the instructions and he 463 00:45:08,159 --> 00:45:13,559 used to do things on Test Rachel where he would say, answer questions one and three and skip, skip 464 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:18,199 number two. And if you answered number two, you actually lost points because you didn't read the 465 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:23,600 directions. And these these directions on these applications are very specific for a reason 466 00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:29,689 aren't they? Honesty is really important. We want all of the information, but we don't want 467 00:45:29,730 --> 00:45:35,369 irrelevant information. There you go. Is it better to submit an application for a specific position, 468 00:45:35,370 --> 00:45:41,569 or contact you to discuss all available opportunities? Rachel. Either way, it's fine. I mean, 469 00:45:41,570 --> 00:45:47,929 I, I like to have the full application in front of me when I, when I talk to somebody. But I also, you 470 00:45:47,930 --> 00:45:52,888 know, get calls every day from applicants who haven't even submitted a lead at all. And they're 471 00:45:52,889 --> 00:45:59,168 just kind of, uh, you know, exploring what's out there. So it doesn't matter to me how you do it. I 472 00:45:59,169 --> 00:46:03,929 would say if you are serious about getting the ball rolling, go ahead and submit the application. 473 00:46:03,969 --> 00:46:09,330 Uh, we use 10th Street, so it's in Entella app. If you've used that before, it's pretty easy to go in 474 00:46:09,330 --> 00:46:14,689 and submit and have all your info auto populate, which I will say, that's another thing you need to 475 00:46:14,689 --> 00:46:20,810 use common sense on, because when you use that Intel app, a lot of times what happens is it 476 00:46:20,810 --> 00:46:26,459 populates information more than once. So if you've applied to five companies and you've got an 477 00:46:26,460 --> 00:46:31,418 accident on there, and then it fills in that accident five different times. It looks like you 478 00:46:31,419 --> 00:46:38,139 have five accidents. So be careful. Check that. Check your employment history. Make sure that's 479 00:46:38,179 --> 00:46:42,698 accurate before you actually submit it. Great advice. The robots are good, but they're not 480 00:46:42,699 --> 00:46:48,860 perfect yet. So you got to make sure and, and, uh, and vet that information that you're giving. Um, 481 00:46:49,340 --> 00:46:53,819 you know, I feel like this is always important here. Rachel. What should applicants know about the 482 00:46:53,820 --> 00:46:58,859 company's drug testing policy? Uh, the drug screen is always going to be a part of every application 483 00:46:58,860 --> 00:47:04,060 that you put in for every trucking company out there, because it's mandated. Uh, what should your 484 00:47:04,060 --> 00:47:09,859 applicants know that might be different or unique about bulk and spur? If anything. There's nothing 485 00:47:10,100 --> 00:47:15,459 that I think is overly unique about that part of the process for us. Um, you know, I'm going to set 486 00:47:15,459 --> 00:47:20,259 you up for drug screening and physical after you interview with the terminal manager, and you both 487 00:47:20,259 --> 00:47:26,669 agree that it's a good fit and you want to move forward. Um, we send over an E passport. So you take 488 00:47:26,669 --> 00:47:31,869 that to the clinic. They scan the barcode. It's really easy. Um, but people kind of get confused 489 00:47:31,870 --> 00:47:38,589 because we don't schedule the time for you. Uh, it's just a standard urinalysis. It's. 490 00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:44,989 There's nothing crazy about it, but I give you a whole month to get that done. So you go in at your 491 00:47:44,990 --> 00:47:51,789 convenience and do it when you're available. Got it? Got it. Okay. Uh, you know, I think one more thing 492 00:47:51,789 --> 00:47:55,629 here that I'll ask you before I'm going to put you on the hot seat here, Rachel is, if you haven't 493 00:47:55,629 --> 00:48:01,189 already been on the hot seat for the last 5 or 7 minutes. But, um, what is something that applicants 494 00:48:01,189 --> 00:48:05,989 think will automatically disqualify them for a job at bulk? That might actually not prevent them 495 00:48:05,989 --> 00:48:10,870 from being hired? Are there any trends in that way where maybe you get some people calling in and 496 00:48:10,870 --> 00:48:15,870 they say, well, I didn't fill out the application because x, y, z. And you see that more often than 497 00:48:15,870 --> 00:48:21,229 what you might expect, anything like that come to mind? Yeah. I mean, not to beat a dead horse here, 498 00:48:21,229 --> 00:48:27,769 but experience? Yeah. People all the time ask what are the requirements as far as experience go. 499 00:48:27,770 --> 00:48:33,969 And you know, obviously we've talked about taken on new grads. A lot of people question whether or 500 00:48:33,969 --> 00:48:39,729 not they need experience with pneumatic trailers and you don't. We train on all of that. Got it. All 501 00:48:39,770 --> 00:48:45,809 right. Hot seat time. I've got some scenarios here that drivers may find themselves in during the 502 00:48:45,810 --> 00:48:52,289 application process. And you've got the person here that's talking directly to you drivers. So 503 00:48:52,289 --> 00:48:56,609 when you're listening to this, understand this is the person that's going to help you through this. 504 00:48:56,649 --> 00:49:01,009 If you're thinking about getting a job at bulk, you're going to get some real good practical 505 00:49:01,009 --> 00:49:06,928 advice from Rachel right now. So scenario number one, Rachel, I've had three jobs in the last two 506 00:49:06,929 --> 00:49:13,249 years. Is that going to be a problem? It depends. Which I know is not the answer anybody wants to 507 00:49:13,249 --> 00:49:19,979 hear. But if you can kind of talk me through why you left each job, what happened, You know, if 508 00:49:20,020 --> 00:49:24,659 you've got one job where you were at for a whole year, and then you've got another job where you 509 00:49:24,659 --> 00:49:29,740 were at for a month and realized pretty quickly that's not a good fit. And then you went on to the 510 00:49:29,740 --> 00:49:35,059 next one and worked there for another nine months or whatever. Um, you know, that looks a lot 511 00:49:35,100 --> 00:49:39,459 different than having, you know, one job where you were there for two months and then you were 512 00:49:39,459 --> 00:49:43,219 unemployed for six months, and then you were at another job for a month, and then you were 513 00:49:43,220 --> 00:49:47,579 unemployed again, and then you were at another job for three months. Those are entirely different 514 00:49:47,580 --> 00:49:53,179 scenarios. Details matter, and Rachel wants to know those details. That's I think, where we got to 515 00:49:53,219 --> 00:50:00,059 there. So good stuff. Um, I had an accident two years ago. Should I even bother applying. If the 516 00:50:00,060 --> 00:50:06,979 accident is within two years and it is a dot recordable accident, we would not 517 00:50:06,979 --> 00:50:12,459 be able to bring you on. If you know you had an accident, say you were not at fault for it. Go 518 00:50:12,459 --> 00:50:17,619 ahead and apply. And if you don't have other things that are going to be an issue, that's 519 00:50:17,669 --> 00:50:23,269 probably something we can work with. There you go again. Details matter. Uh, I've been out of the 520 00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:29,629 truck for five years, Rachel, but my CDL is still valid. Should I give you a call? Absolutely. Yeah. Um. 521 00:50:30,030 --> 00:50:34,269 You know, I think of it as, you know, it's like riding a bike. You've got to train with the 522 00:50:34,270 --> 00:50:37,989 trainer on the operation of the pneumatic equipment anyways. So if we need to get you some 523 00:50:37,989 --> 00:50:43,750 additional behind the wheel time and get you up to speed, we can do that. Uh, so, you know, that is a 524 00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:48,070 good point because a lot of companies do look at that and they won't bring on an applicant that 525 00:50:48,070 --> 00:50:54,269 has older experience, but that is something we absolutely can work with. Okay. Great stuff there. 526 00:50:54,309 --> 00:50:59,749 Um, I submitted my application a week ago, and I'm getting a little bit, uh, antsy here. I haven't 527 00:50:59,750 --> 00:51:06,668 heard anything back. What should I do? Check your email. That comes from 528 00:51:06,669 --> 00:51:11,949 experience right there. Rachel has sent many emails into the void, like we all have. So be sure 529 00:51:11,950 --> 00:51:18,320 to check that. If you haven't heard. Back in a week. It's probably because 530 00:51:18,919 --> 00:51:25,319 you don't have your voicemail set up. So you did not know that I called or I have sent you an 531 00:51:25,319 --> 00:51:32,199 email. Usually I'll call, but if there's like, you know, glaring issues where there's no possibility 532 00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:37,439 we could ever bring you on. You may get an email, you know, just saying thank you for replying. We 533 00:51:37,439 --> 00:51:43,399 won't be moving forward with your application or something along those lines. Um, but if you haven't 534 00:51:43,399 --> 00:51:49,198 heard from us in a week, give me a call, because it could have been that your application didn't come 535 00:51:49,199 --> 00:51:55,840 through. You know, I am happy to answer any questions if you have not heard back, but that is, 536 00:51:55,840 --> 00:52:01,359 uh, one thing that I say all the time is check your email, set up your voicemail, clear out your 537 00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:06,878 old voicemails so that I can actually leave you a message when I do call. I'll tell you. I know that 538 00:52:06,879 --> 00:52:12,119 voicemail sort of is looked at by this newer generation as an antiquated thing, but for God's 539 00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:16,609 sakes, there were so many of us that grew up going home and pressing a button on an answering 540 00:52:16,610 --> 00:52:22,289 machine and getting all the information we needed from the day. And many of us are still really, 541 00:52:22,290 --> 00:52:27,330 really in love with our voicemail boxes there. Rachel. So I think that's really good advice. Um, 542 00:52:27,370 --> 00:52:32,329 obviously it's hard when things are coming at you from all angles, but if you're looking for a job, 543 00:52:32,330 --> 00:52:37,129 you got to have some of that stuff taken care of. And that voice mail is a very important one. Um, 544 00:52:37,129 --> 00:52:43,129 I've got maybe one, maybe two more for you here. Rachel, I don't live particularly close to any of 545 00:52:43,129 --> 00:52:48,409 your terminals. Does that automatically rule me out? It depends what you're looking for. Obviously, 546 00:52:48,410 --> 00:52:53,049 if you are looking to get home nightly and you live two hours from any of our terminals, that's 547 00:52:53,049 --> 00:52:58,769 probably not the best fit. If you are willing to be out longer. We may be able to work something 548 00:52:58,770 --> 00:53:04,609 out for you. Um, you know, just like what Jeff was talking about, about how things kind of change in, 549 00:53:04,649 --> 00:53:09,370 you know, how our freight works. We have a lot more opportunity to keep you out a little bit longer 550 00:53:09,370 --> 00:53:13,909 right now. So if that is something that you're open to doing. We can absolutely have a 551 00:53:13,909 --> 00:53:20,549 conversation about it. Perfect. And the last one I've applied previously and I wasn't hired. Should 552 00:53:20,550 --> 00:53:27,469 I apply again down the road at some point in time? Sure. Obviously. Details again matter. So 553 00:53:27,469 --> 00:53:32,989 if you were denied previously because, you know, we couldn't get you qualified and some time has 554 00:53:32,990 --> 00:53:38,829 passed and maybe things have dropped off your record, it's absolutely worth it to apply again if 555 00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:44,429 your circumstances have changed and maybe you know, when you applied previously, the schedule 556 00:53:44,429 --> 00:53:49,230 didn't work for your life or something about the actual job didn't work for you, and now it does, 557 00:53:49,350 --> 00:53:56,148 let me know. That's changed. Rachel, great job on the hot seat. Round of applause without question, 558 00:53:56,270 --> 00:54:01,109 and also want to give that same round of applause to Jeff and Kelly for their patience here. I 559 00:54:01,110 --> 00:54:06,429 appreciate you guys standing by while we ran Rachel through the gantlet there. Great stuff. 560 00:54:06,430 --> 00:54:11,399 Rachel, I think anybody listening to this right now, if they wanted to go apply. As soon as the 561 00:54:11,399 --> 00:54:16,879 episode ended, they could head over to Bulk Transit and be very well prepared to do so. So I 562 00:54:16,919 --> 00:54:21,679 greatly appreciate that from you. Um, and as we start to sort of get towards the end of the 563 00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:27,799 interview here, I want to get to why drivers stick around at bulk. We've talked about the process. 564 00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:32,879 We've talked about what goes into the process. Now I want to talk about what the drivers get out of 565 00:54:32,879 --> 00:54:38,719 the process and why they stick around. Jeff, what was the moment for you when you knew that bulk 566 00:54:38,720 --> 00:54:44,519 was somewhere you could see yourself staying long term? Do you remember that day? Probably not a good 567 00:54:44,519 --> 00:54:51,199 question to ask me because I'm going to be honest with you. I was working at a company just north of 568 00:54:51,199 --> 00:54:58,119 the terminal. It was a cabinet manufacturer, and when I decided that I wanted to get my CDL, I had 569 00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:03,199 already had my eye set on bulk because I went by them every day and I'm like, man, I want to get it. 570 00:55:03,199 --> 00:55:09,049 I want to drive. And I and I had already checked in. They said you had to have two years experience, 571 00:55:09,050 --> 00:55:14,929 so I knew I had to do the over the road thing for a while. So I kind of knew that was kind of where 572 00:55:14,929 --> 00:55:20,409 I was wanting to be because it was right close to home and I seen their trucks there every day. So I 573 00:55:20,409 --> 00:55:27,370 knew it was kind of like a daily thing. So, um, I don't know that that would be a fair question 574 00:55:27,409 --> 00:55:33,289 to answer because I'd already kind of. You kind of made your decision there a little bit. Yeah, yeah. I 575 00:55:33,289 --> 00:55:38,289 was like, well, that's kind of where I wanted to end up. Yeah. But I want to say something, if I 576 00:55:38,289 --> 00:55:45,049 might, concerning the hot, uh, the hot seat question with the, the, the location where you 577 00:55:45,050 --> 00:55:51,929 might be, if it can, if you can be considered or not. Mhm. Um, I just want to since this is a 578 00:55:51,929 --> 00:55:58,929 podcast and I hope other people listen. I just was able to be a help to recruiting 579 00:55:58,929 --> 00:56:05,489 for spur. I have a cousin in Texas and I, we tried it once before and it just didn't work out. But 580 00:56:05,540 --> 00:56:12,499 this time things have changed. And he and I told Rachel Zero the other day. He's in the 581 00:56:12,499 --> 00:56:19,220 process of being, uh, brought on board and at the spur terminal, and he's excited about it. 582 00:56:19,260 --> 00:56:26,259 He's he's a prime example of somebody that's needing to be home. And he's been. He's a 32 583 00:56:26,260 --> 00:56:31,779 year experience driver. He's my cousin. And he happens to live 584 00:56:32,620 --> 00:56:39,219 closer to the, uh, Austin, San Antonio area. But there's plenty of 585 00:56:39,220 --> 00:56:45,619 runs from Saginaw that go down. And that's how he lives kind of in the middle. And Bourque was 586 00:56:45,899 --> 00:56:52,860 gracious enough to give him the opportunity. And, uh, it's it this was the kind of 587 00:56:52,899 --> 00:56:57,978 things that need to be heard on the podcast that they are willing to work, as long as things line 588 00:56:57,979 --> 00:57:04,519 up properly with all the necessary, uh, background checks and so forth. Right, Right. And as I 589 00:57:04,519 --> 00:57:08,519 recall, Jeff, the you and I talked about this the other day when we were setting up the interview 590 00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:13,839 here. And, uh, just to to clarify this, this is a tree that you had barked up before with your 591 00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:18,519 cousin and it just didn't work out. You came back and barked up it again. And he's onboarding this 592 00:57:18,519 --> 00:57:24,799 time, right? Exactly. And so I need to mention this too, because this is this is important. He and I go 593 00:57:24,799 --> 00:57:30,440 back and forth with jab at each each other. And I kept telling him the amount of money that was 594 00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:37,088 available over here. He was working for a company that's over the road, and he was basically out 2 595 00:57:37,089 --> 00:57:42,560 to 3 weeks. And he and I'm not going to tell you exact amounts, but I'm going to tell you he was 596 00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:48,919 probably 25 to 30 grand less a year than me. Wow. And and he was with that company. 597 00:57:49,719 --> 00:57:54,039 Uh, Rachel probably knows exactly because she's got the I think he was with that company pert 598 00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:59,519 near, uh, coming up on 16. He was about the same time as I've been here. So we've been back. I've 599 00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:04,489 been I've been jabbing him all along, you know what I mean? You let me know what I'm making. And 600 00:58:04,529 --> 00:58:09,769 you know, he's out there hustling and doing it and making a lot less. So. These people need to hear 601 00:58:09,769 --> 00:58:14,889 that, man. They can make some money here, too. It's and it's it's an awesome company. I mean, it really 602 00:58:14,889 --> 00:58:20,729 is. You know, I'm sorry. I, I know you had another thing for me, but I had to say that. No, it's 603 00:58:20,729 --> 00:58:26,049 totally fine, Jeff, because I think it's it's still speaking to what I originally asked you, which is 604 00:58:26,050 --> 00:58:30,849 what's got you wanting to stay. You knew that you wanted to stay before you even got here, and 605 00:58:30,849 --> 00:58:37,489 that's a unique part of it. But it also you you wouldn't feel that way still 16 years down the 606 00:58:37,489 --> 00:58:42,530 road if the company hadn't held up their end. Right. And that's really the important part of it. 607 00:58:42,570 --> 00:58:47,369 I'm glad you said that, because I need to say this. I'm sorry I got diarrhea of the mouth, but it's 608 00:58:47,369 --> 00:58:53,930 important every year that I've been here, every year, 609 00:58:55,210 --> 00:59:01,979 whether it be through an increase by the Pay rate getting increased 610 00:59:01,979 --> 00:59:08,779 or our system is you get a percentage of the load at that. I have made 611 00:59:09,179 --> 00:59:16,099 more money from the previous year, every year. That's one hell of a track record. 612 00:59:16,179 --> 00:59:23,139 And not only that, they have made so many more changes 613 00:59:23,259 --> 00:59:30,018 with the way that they pay for things that benefit 614 00:59:30,019 --> 00:59:36,899 the driver, more so than it ever does benefit the company. I, and I don't know if you can 615 00:59:36,899 --> 00:59:43,139 get a more shining example of why drivers stick around at this company, right, Jeff? 616 00:59:43,859 --> 00:59:50,379 Exactly. Yeah. So you got an opportunity, like when you get into like anybody when they go to 617 00:59:50,420 --> 00:59:55,179 work, they they start out at the bottom. They want to work themselves to the top and working 618 00:59:55,180 --> 01:00:02,109 themselves to the top. Most people are thinking by making more money or by by making more 619 01:00:02,110 --> 01:00:08,870 money, you got to climb the chain of authority or whatever it may be. For example, when I was in 620 01:00:08,909 --> 01:00:14,549 the kitchen cabinet manufacturing, um, I literally started out as a forklift operator. 621 01:00:15,789 --> 01:00:20,549 Uh, I got a two year degree in accounting and business administration. I ended up in the 622 01:00:20,550 --> 01:00:25,709 accounting department. I went from the accounting department to I was production planning. 623 01:00:27,109 --> 01:00:33,909 And every step of the way, my money increased. And but the job also 624 01:00:33,909 --> 01:00:38,948 changed drastically. Every single time you got more. Yeah. That's that's the point you're making 625 01:00:38,949 --> 01:00:44,230 here because you're still hauling pneumatic, but you're still able to, uh, make more income every 626 01:00:44,230 --> 01:00:51,030 single year. Exactly. Yes. And there's always going to be a little bit of something because, 627 01:00:51,389 --> 01:00:58,039 uh, they, they the freight rates change year to year, and actual weight. If it goes 628 01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:05,040 up 3%, that's 3% more that you get your percentage of. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Great stuff there, Jeff. I know 629 01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:11,080 you didn't answer the question directly, but you answered it indirectly. Very well. I think, um, and I 630 01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:15,279 want to go back to Kelly here because, Kelly, you've been so patient here. I haven't spoken to 631 01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:20,080 you in quite a few minutes here, but there's something very important on my list of questions 632 01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:25,438 that I want to touch on with you from your terminal manager perspective, in four years making 633 01:01:25,439 --> 01:01:31,319 podcasts for truck drivers, there's one thing that I hear, and it's consistent across every type of 634 01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:37,359 hauling across every fleet. Drivers do not want to feel like a number. They want to feel like a 635 01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:42,720 person. How do you implement that at Picton? Because I know we're sitting here listening to 636 01:01:42,759 --> 01:01:48,759 Jeff. He's not the only Pickton driver I've talked to. They feel like that at Pickton and at bulk at 637 01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:53,979 large. So from your seat, Kelly, how do you approach that? How do you make these drivers feel like 638 01:01:53,980 --> 01:01:58,499 they're each an individual person and not just a truck number. So. 639 01:02:00,980 --> 01:02:07,939 As the terminal manager managing 15 different drivers, I address them by name. 640 01:02:07,939 --> 01:02:14,579 I ask their opinions on loads. I ask them questions because 641 01:02:14,580 --> 01:02:21,099 they're they're part of this team and they should have some say so 642 01:02:21,100 --> 01:02:27,699 in what they're hauling or where they're hauling to as much as possible. I 643 01:02:28,020 --> 01:02:33,619 understand they have a life. I understand they have family. I understand there's doctors 644 01:02:33,620 --> 01:02:40,019 appointments and and, you know, deaths in the family and things that happen on a daily 645 01:02:40,019 --> 01:02:47,019 basis that you can't just sweep under the rug. Those 646 01:02:47,019 --> 01:02:53,949 are things that need to be acknowledged and Maybe give drivers an avenue to 647 01:02:53,990 --> 01:03:00,949 be able to take a day off, or even just to vent. Any driver here can call me at any point in 648 01:03:00,950 --> 01:03:07,950 time and be like, listen, I need to talk. I need to get this off my chest. I'm not just 649 01:03:07,950 --> 01:03:13,949 here to dispatch. I'm not just here to manage a terminal. I'm here to be part of the process as 650 01:03:13,949 --> 01:03:20,310 well. Yeah, and that family oriented feel that you get. I feel like is really. That's what it comes 651 01:03:20,310 --> 01:03:25,630 from. Kelly is that. Hey, if you just need to vent, you're there too. It's it's not the it's not the a 652 01:03:25,630 --> 01:03:30,069 one part of your job that sits right at the very top of the job description. But it is a very 653 01:03:30,070 --> 01:03:37,070 important part of the job, isn't it? It is. And the reason that that is so important is because if 654 01:03:37,070 --> 01:03:42,908 a driver is out there on the road and they're upset, I want them to be able to call me because I 655 01:03:42,909 --> 01:03:49,310 don't want them driving upset. Yeah, I don't want them putting themselves in a position where maybe 656 01:03:49,310 --> 01:03:55,758 they're not focused on the things that they should be focused on, right? I. I'm am here to. 657 01:03:55,999 --> 01:04:02,559 If you're having problems at home and you need an outlet, I'm here. If you have a 658 01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:09,199 medical issue and there's nobody that you feel comfortable talking to, I'm here. If 659 01:04:09,279 --> 01:04:16,200 your kid graduated kindergarten and you're super proud, I'm here. Um. Doesn't always have to 660 01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:22,359 be bad stuff, right? You can share the good stuff as well. And, um, that's that's what I 661 01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:29,999 like to happen here. I want that to be an open conversation. I want that to be an open 662 01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:36,679 opportunity for anybody who needs it. And it it makes it a 663 01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:43,079 little easier when, when the tough situations happen. Yeah. I can call and be like, hey, look, this 664 01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:49,329 is what's going on. Can you help with this load? Or I know this is going to suck, 665 01:04:49,330 --> 01:04:55,449 but can you handle this? Um, it it just creates 666 01:04:55,930 --> 01:05:02,889 easy communication. Sure, sure. Well, that's great stuff, Kelly. I appreciate once again 667 01:05:02,889 --> 01:05:07,289 the patience as well as we worked our way through Rachel's hot seat segment and hearing a bit from 668 01:05:07,289 --> 01:05:12,569 Jeff there. Uh, you guys, I only asked you for an hour today, and we are right up against it. So 669 01:05:12,570 --> 01:05:16,009 here's what I'm going to do. I told you I was going to break format earlier. We did that a 670 01:05:16,009 --> 01:05:21,089 little bit. I'm breaking it again because they give me the reins around here and I feel like it. 671 01:05:21,090 --> 01:05:26,289 Here's what I want from the three of you. Instead of our final Thoughts segment that we normally do 672 01:05:26,290 --> 01:05:31,729 today, time is a little bit short. So what I want from you, we don't want this to sound like a 673 01:05:31,729 --> 01:05:37,768 recruiting advertisement for bulk, but we do need drivers. And so I want you guys to give me your 674 01:05:37,810 --> 01:05:44,169 1520 second elevator pitch. Why should I or anybody else that's out there looking for a truck 675 01:05:44,169 --> 01:05:50,738 driving job right now, come to bulk and drive for bulk. Rachel, I'm going to start with you. Uh, thank 676 01:05:50,739 --> 01:05:55,860 you so much. As the leader of the recruiting and retention department, what's your elevator pitch 677 01:05:55,860 --> 01:06:00,579 to come work for bulk. I could spend a whole episode giving you an elevator pitch, but I'm 678 01:06:00,580 --> 01:06:05,860 gonna. Real quick, just take it back to what Jeff was saying about bringing his cousin on board. Um, 679 01:06:05,899 --> 01:06:11,899 you know, he had this idea. He knew that his cousin was a good driver with a strong record, and he 680 01:06:11,939 --> 01:06:18,139 contacted me. He contacted Sean, the ops director, and said, hey, let's figure something out. And, you 681 01:06:18,140 --> 01:06:23,178 know, we were willing to work with him. And Shawn had a good conversation with him on kind of 682 01:06:23,219 --> 01:06:29,938 figuring out a plan for that, because, again, going back to we respect our drivers as people. They're 683 01:06:29,939 --> 01:06:35,179 not just numbers to us. And, you know, if you have an idea for the company or you have a referral 684 01:06:35,179 --> 01:06:42,099 that's a little outside of the box, we can talk through it and, um, hear you out. And, uh, do you know 685 01:06:42,139 --> 01:06:48,959 what we can to to make this feel like everybody is a part of the team. And the elevator just hit 686 01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:53,679 floor number one, I am sold. I'll give you the round of applause as well as the floor number one. 687 01:06:53,679 --> 01:06:59,039 Ding! There. Great job, Rachel Dellaposta, thank you so much for joining us. As always. We appreciate 688 01:06:59,039 --> 01:07:03,479 all the time and the help that you give this podcast behind the scenes, because that's a very 689 01:07:03,479 --> 01:07:09,919 important part of this equation as well. Kelly Cordova, a terminal manager out there at Picton. 15 690 01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:16,319 second elevator pitch from you. Why should I come work at Picton? Uh, here at Picton, we are 691 01:07:16,759 --> 01:07:22,799 we are focused on safety. We're focused on, you know, getting our freight from one point to 692 01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:29,159 another, getting you back home to your family. We understand again, things happen in life. 693 01:07:29,199 --> 01:07:36,199 We typically are pretty flexible. If you need a day off, you know, here's a day off. Our 694 01:07:36,199 --> 01:07:42,529 loads pay very well. Here. We if if there's a point in time that we 695 01:07:43,050 --> 01:07:49,928 don't have a lot of loads for a day. I try my best to work with the other terminals and I 696 01:07:50,010 --> 01:07:55,929 typically don't have drivers sitting. We want you to get out there and make money. We want you to 697 01:07:55,970 --> 01:08:01,370 move freight, and we want you to come home and enjoy life with your family. And there we are at 698 01:08:01,370 --> 01:08:06,529 floor number one once again with the ding and the round of applause. Kelly Cordova, thank you so much 699 01:08:06,530 --> 01:08:10,889 for the time today. I know you've got a lot on your plate, just like Rachel does. We greatly 700 01:08:10,889 --> 01:08:15,530 appreciate every minute that we get to spend with you here on Always pneumatic, never Static. Thanks 701 01:08:15,530 --> 01:08:21,089 for joining us today. Jeff, it's your turn. Uh, driver out of Pike and Jeff Linne joining us 702 01:08:21,089 --> 01:08:25,329 here on the show. Give me your elevator pitch, man. What did you tell your cousin? Hey, I'm just out 703 01:08:25,330 --> 01:08:32,209 earning you, and I'm out earning circles around you. Is that all it took? Oh, I listen, 704 01:08:32,209 --> 01:08:38,890 I've been poking him for a while. He's been cursing me. I had to I had to do something 705 01:08:38,890 --> 01:08:45,739 right. No, no. My pitch would be that I have to agree with, uh, 706 01:08:45,819 --> 01:08:52,659 Rachel and Kelly. And I think the word is or couple words 707 01:08:52,660 --> 01:08:59,018 is, um, flexibility. What I mean by that is everything that Kelly said 708 01:08:59,019 --> 01:09:05,419 about being able to work with somebody, schedule within reason. You can't go because some people 709 01:09:05,419 --> 01:09:12,339 can kind of play the game. Mhm. And flexibility within reason of being able 710 01:09:12,339 --> 01:09:19,219 to hire somebody depending on where they live in proximity to a town. It's kind of hard to be 711 01:09:19,220 --> 01:09:26,099 outside of the, of somewhere. Um for the most part. But I understand in the Texas area it's a little 712 01:09:26,100 --> 01:09:32,538 different. So, uh, that's where we ran into just a tiny little bit of a road bump there, but. And 713 01:09:32,539 --> 01:09:39,269 then money. I mean, I'm, I'm almost put my paycheck on it I because I did it once 714 01:09:39,270 --> 01:09:46,149 before. We are competitive with any company in the Midwest 715 01:09:46,669 --> 01:09:52,869 as far as making money, and this is something that's very important. It's not just the money, 716 01:09:52,869 --> 01:09:59,549 it's the other little things that you, the insurances and things of that nature that a lot 717 01:09:59,589 --> 01:10:04,949 of a lot of drivers drive and they let their spouse take the insurance. That's what like part 718 01:10:04,950 --> 01:10:10,789 of the problem with getting people in Python is like Kelly was saying, the, the, the pool is so 719 01:10:10,789 --> 01:10:16,829 rough to get anybody to turn because they may be driving, making $1,500, but that's all they're 720 01:10:16,829 --> 01:10:23,470 doing, though they don't get no, uh, chicks holiday paid. They don't get no 721 01:10:23,470 --> 01:10:27,910 vacation. They're just getting paid as they haul and they're and their spouse is taking care of 722 01:10:27,910 --> 01:10:33,989 the insurance or whatever. So this is the combination of all of that. Flexibility, pay and 723 01:10:33,990 --> 01:10:38,410 benefits is what you're talking about. And I'll tell you right now, if I'm out there looking for a 724 01:10:38,410 --> 01:10:43,889 job, I'm sold. I think that does that summarize it, Jeff? Pretty well. 725 01:10:45,689 --> 01:10:52,169 Absolutely. I'm. I'm glad I have you to back me up and put the three words out there. No problem. 726 01:10:52,289 --> 01:10:57,609 Jeff. Rachel. Kelly, thank you all for your time today. This has been fantastic. I think we did 727 01:10:57,609 --> 01:11:02,609 exactly what we needed to. If you're listening to this and you're thinking about it, go over to Bulk 728 01:11:02,649 --> 01:11:09,128 Transit Comm. Click the button, give Rachel a call, ask some questions. Figure out if it's the right 729 01:11:09,129 --> 01:11:14,649 fit. We got seats open and we're looking for drivers once again. Plane city and Picton. Kelly 730 01:11:14,649 --> 01:11:19,489 Cordova, Rachel Dellaposta, Jeff Linne. You guys are fantastic. Jeff, you be safe out there on the 731 01:11:19,490 --> 01:11:24,369 road. Rachel Kelly we'll get you on here again next time and talk more about the recruiting 732 01:11:24,370 --> 01:11:29,768 process at Bulk and Spur. We'll be right back with more. Always pneumatic, never static. Right 733 01:11:29,769 --> 01:11:30,649 after this. 734 01:11:38,540 --> 01:11:44,059 You know, I've said this so many times to so many people at Bulk and Spur, whether it be when I'm 735 01:11:44,100 --> 01:11:49,778 talking to Brian or Brad or Andrea in a meeting or I'm trying to set up an interview and I'm just 736 01:11:49,779 --> 01:11:55,579 having a conversation with a driver or a terminal staff employee, I tell everyone, if I could bottle 737 01:11:55,580 --> 01:12:02,299 your guys's enthusiasm for this show and spray it on everybody that I work with outside of 738 01:12:02,299 --> 01:12:07,619 always pneumatic, never static, I would, and I would probably be a very rich man selling that serum. 739 01:12:07,620 --> 01:12:14,619 What a fantastic segment there from Kelli Cordova, Rachel Dellaposta, and Jeff Linne. Three 740 01:12:14,620 --> 01:12:20,259 different perspectives, three entirely different perspectives on what the recruiting process is 741 01:12:20,299 --> 01:12:25,379 and how it works. And if you're looking for a gig right now, bulks got them. And if you're sitting 742 01:12:25,380 --> 01:12:31,059 there looking at your shiny brand new CDL thinking, how would I ever get into pneumatics 743 01:12:31,059 --> 01:12:36,589 fresh out of school. Well, you call Rachel and you have a conversation. You figure out if you're 744 01:12:36,589 --> 01:12:41,390 qualified and you get down there to Pickton and start working with Kelly and Jeff and figuring 745 01:12:41,390 --> 01:12:46,989 out what this whole thing is all about. It's that simple. Uh, cannot thank them enough for such a 746 01:12:46,990 --> 01:12:53,990 great interview. You know, in the lifecycle of a podcast as it grows. One thing that 747 01:12:53,990 --> 01:13:00,509 I always look for with a guy that's probably got, I don't know, somewhere around 5000 podcast 748 01:13:00,509 --> 01:13:07,230 episodes under my belt in my broadcasting career, not to mention eight years worth of daily 749 01:13:07,230 --> 01:13:13,629 four hour radio shows. It's a lot the same what you look for as the next show comes and the next 750 01:13:13,629 --> 01:13:18,788 show, or the next episode and the next episode. You want it to get better. You want it to get richer. 751 01:13:18,829 --> 01:13:24,350 You want the experience that you give the listener to grow over time. Now, I told you in the 752 01:13:24,350 --> 01:13:28,909 intro that we got a couple of really nice compliments on some recent episodes from Mike 753 01:13:28,910 --> 01:13:33,799 Short and Jeff Linne and I. I can't tell you how much that means to me. Guys, I encourage you to 754 01:13:33,799 --> 01:13:40,240 reach out if you got anything out of an episode. Tell a friend about it and let me know so that I 755 01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:45,838 can pour more of that into subsequent episodes. I want to keep making that happen for you. And on 756 01:13:45,879 --> 01:13:52,559 that note, I think today's episode is another one in that rack. It's better than the last one. It's 757 01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:56,959 more rich than the last one. It has more information and better questions than the last 758 01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:03,399 one. This podcast is growing right in front of our eyes, and it is you guys that are making it grow, 759 01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:09,199 not just the people that join me here and give me the great content like Rachel, Jeff and Kelly did 760 01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:13,599 today. But those of you that are out there listening and actually getting something from it, 761 01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:20,199 like Mike short, shoot me a message and telling me that is critical to make this podcast better for 762 01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:25,719 you every single time we throw the mics on. And I can't thank all of you enough for being here with 763 01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:32,410 me. Um, you make a guy feel real special. And I also feel like part of the family. I don't feel like a 764 01:14:32,410 --> 01:14:38,970 truck number. I feel like everybody knows my name. It's cheers out here. Uh, whether I'm in Plain City 765 01:14:39,009 --> 01:14:45,490 Pike in Saginaw, it doesn't matter. I feel at home and, uh, really appreciate everyone 766 01:14:45,529 --> 01:14:51,489 under the Bulk and Spur moniker for taking part in this podcast, listening to this podcast, telling 767 01:14:51,490 --> 01:14:58,289 a friend about it, uh, filling out a quiz to get entered for our $400 Amazon gift 768 01:14:58,289 --> 01:15:05,169 card drive. Every single bit of effort that you guys put into this, even if it's just clicking 769 01:15:05,169 --> 01:15:10,929 download or listening on the website, matters to me. Uh, much like you heard Kelly say that all the 770 01:15:10,930 --> 01:15:17,329 input from her drivers at Pickton matters to her. Okay, it's a lot the same. And that's how this 771 01:15:17,330 --> 01:15:23,689 company runs as such a well-oiled machine. You got drivers out there smiling. Everybody's happy. 772 01:15:23,689 --> 01:15:28,990 Everybody's working together. Everybody's filling their role. It's a beautiful thing when it all 773 01:15:28,990 --> 01:15:34,469 comes together. And, uh, well, we here at the podcast thought, why not try to sweeten the pot a little 774 01:15:34,509 --> 01:15:40,349 bit and throw a $400 Amazon gift card drawing at the drivers that are out there listening? It's 775 01:15:40,350 --> 01:15:47,189 real simple, I told you in the intro. But I'll remind you again, podcast sitcom is the website. 776 01:15:47,230 --> 01:15:53,389 Each one of these podcasts comes with a quiz. You fill out that quiz, you click submit. It doesn't 777 01:15:53,390 --> 01:15:59,509 matter if you're a good student, poor student, nobody cares. You're still entered for it. You can 778 01:15:59,509 --> 01:16:04,869 get zero out of however many questions there are, and we're still going to get you entered for that 779 01:16:04,869 --> 01:16:11,869 $400 Amazon gift card drawing. So get your quizzes in. And once again, 780 01:16:11,910 --> 01:16:17,109 you're not fortunate enough to know exactly when this will be drawn just yet. But I'll come back 781 01:16:17,110 --> 01:16:23,029 with that information at some point in time. In the industry here, we call this a tease. I'm just 782 01:16:23,029 --> 01:16:26,719 teasing you a little bit so that you come back and listen next week and maybe the week after 783 01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:30,839 that. And who knows, maybe one of those weeks will be the week that we pull a name out of the hat 784 01:16:30,839 --> 01:16:37,559 and hand somebody a $400 gift card to Amazon. Really appreciate everybody that clicked download 785 01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:43,279 today. Remember to tell a friend and get those quizzes in because it's here. We will be drawing 786 01:16:43,279 --> 01:16:48,919 very soon. All you drivers be safe out there. Keep the shiny side up. Thank you so much for tuning in 787 01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:55,159 to always pneumatic, never static. We will be back here next week, same time 5 a.m. local time, with 788 01:16:55,160 --> 01:17:01,439 another hour at least of content for you from always pneumatic, never static. Be safe out there. 789 01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:09,159 And that's all she blows for today's episode of Always Pneumatic, Never Static. Your number one and 790 01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:15,079 probably only Pneumatic Trucking podcast, brought to you by Bulk Transit. Thanks for rolling with us 791 01:17:15,079 --> 01:17:19,839 today. Till next time, stay safe. Keep those lines clear and keep it pumping.